What if: Non-Genocidal Hitler

So what if hitler still takes power and blames the Jews like he does in our timeline, but he doesn't commit mass genocide against Jews or any other race.
How would the world of changed
How would World War 2 of changed?
 
This Hitler would be probably quiet unrecognsible with OTL Hitler. It is even possible that he is reasonable enough that he doesn't begin WW2. But if he does he might be able to ally with Ukranians, Belorussians and anti-socialist Russians. This might mean that he could even win war if Hitler acts more reasonable.
 
So what if hitler still takes power and blames the Jews like he does in our timeline, but he doesn't commit mass genocide against Jews or any other race.
How would the world of changed
How would World War 2 of changed?

There would be mass killings of Jews, Slavs and Intelligentsia still. Hitler was far from the only murderous anti-Semite in Germany. Ghettos with terrible conditions would still exist. Fewer jews would die of course but local initiative would still kill numerous people. Hard to gauge how many though.

Possibly the war ends a bit later in German defeat.
 

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Then he's not Hitler. If you mean he's got the skills, rhetoric, and bigotry short of wanting to commit genocide, you probably don't have someone crazy enough to start WW2. But let's say he's a more traditional bigot like Ludendorff with grandiose plans of conquest that hates Jews, just not to the point of death camps or Einsatzgruppen. That's kind of hard to square given his belief of an international Jewish conspiracy to destroy Germany and the food shortages in Europe and need to reduce populations to square the food circle that was behind the Hunger Plan. Frankly I don't know if we can even discuss a non-genocidal Hitler as being much different because of the food issue and likely mass death resulting from the war in the East. The effect would likely be the same minus gas chambers and the way Einsatzgruppen targeted people, as they would likely still round up Jews as a threat in the East and be used to kill partisans/civilians.

What of Hitler's colonization plans for the East? That was predicated on killing off the Slavs to make room for Germanic settlers; without the genocidal desire does Hitler have colonization plans? Because if not and he's a Ludendorff style leader than he'd go for Brest-Litovsk and focus on getting anti-Stalin support to aid his war against Communism and set up allied states in the East.
 
anti-Semitism was rife in Europe at the time. someone else would do something less or possibly equally as destructive and atrocious.
 
Then he's not Hitler. If you mean he's got the skills, rhetoric, and bigotry short of wanting to commit genocide, you probably don't have someone crazy enough to start WW2. But let's say he's a more traditional bigot like Ludendorff with grandiose plans of conquest that hates Jews, just not to the point of death camps or Einsatzgruppen. That's kind of hard to square given his belief of an international Jewish conspiracy to destroy Germany and the food shortages in Europe and need to reduce populations to square the food circle that was behind the Hunger Plan. Frankly I don't know if we can even discuss a non-genocidal Hitler as being much different because of the food issue and likely mass death resulting from the war in the East. The effect would likely be the same minus gas chambers and the way Einsatzgruppen targeted people, as they would likely still round up Jews as a threat in the East and be used to kill partisans/civilians.

What of Hitler's colonization plans for the East? That was predicated on killing off the Slavs to make room for Germanic settlers; without the genocidal desire does Hitler have colonization plans? Because if not and he's a Ludendorff style leader than he'd go for Brest-Litovsk and focus on getting anti-Stalin support to aid his war against Communism and set up allied states in the East.

More or less this. Einsatzgruppen would still exist to deal with partisans, intelligentsia, mental patients etcetera. As the war progress the Einsatzgruppen would become more and more genocidal by every year. After a partisan attack villages in the area would still be purged, Jews will be targeted with or without an order from Hitler himself. If Hitler actively tries to limit the killings (ASB) there would be less killings and the Einsatzgruppen might be defunct.

As mentioned, the logistical requirements deep in USSR would create a situation where Hitler would have to chose between giving the food to Germans or to Slavs and Jews. Who would he chose? :(

In the end, more Jews would die by starvation and overworking in Ghettos and camps and fewer be actively killed. The end figure would be less Jews killed (especially in the west) but a genocide would still happen.
 

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More or less this. Einsatzgruppen would still exist to deal with partisans, intelligentsia, mental patients etcetera. As the war progress the Einsatzgruppen would become more and more genocidal by every year. After a partisan attack villages in the area would still be purged, Jews will be targeted with or without an order from Hitler himself. If Hitler actively tries to limit the killings (ASB) there would be less killings and the Einsatzgruppen might be defunct.

As mentioned, the logistical requirements deep in USSR would create a situation where Hitler would have to chose between giving the food to Germans or to Slavs and Jews. Who would he chose? :(

In the end, more Jews would die by starvation and overworking in Ghettos and camps and fewer be actively killed. The end figure would be less Jews killed (especially in the west) but a genocide would still happen.

You wouldn't have the death camp visuals at the end of the war as much, but you'd have forced labor just like in WW1, but with WW2 level brutality. It just wouldn't be Auschwitz style. Perhaps then you'd have a different Nuremburg trial and a public perception post-war that didn't have Nazism being the most evil thing ever without gas chambers 'just' starvation, shootings, and disease, the 'normal' killers in war. Maybe then there would be more public appreciation of the vast slaughterhouse the East was during WW2.
 
Oh great, another "kinder, gentler Nazis" thread.:rolleyes::mad:
Well, this one is still a matter of relativity. It's still prescribing mass murder but not industrialised mass murder.

As loath as I am to pimp my TL (which should really be updating again soon) out in such a blithe fashion, if you want to read such a scenario, look no further than here, especially an alternate form of the Final Solution rooted in slavery and not murder.
 
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I dunno, you might have it so that Rohm has a bit more influence on Hitler than he did in real life. Hitler might instead move the Jewish population to reservations instead of herding them into camps like Dacau or Auschwitz.

This would free up a lot of the resources used in the camps which would probably bolster the Wehrmacht's power. Though, I'm not entirely sure if that would be enough to save the German war machine once the Soviets come a-knockin'
 
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