What if NO-ONE "pulls a Meiji"?

?Well who is available in the mid 1800's to pull a Meiji.?


China - Massive Imperial Bureaucracy Has to be swept aside before.
Korea --Vassal of China - Has the same Bureaucracy problems.
Tibet - under the control of the Dali Lama and His Theocracy.
Siam - Stuck between British Burma, and French Indo China
Ethiopia - Surrounded by European Client, or Muslim Religious states, with very few natural resources.
Japan - Succeeded OTL, but only by the skin of their teeth. Easy to see a scenario when they fail.

?Can anyone think of other candidates?

all the countries above except Tibet tried to pull Meijis - it's just that only Japan was successful.
 
?Well who is available in the mid 1800's to pull a Meiji.?


China - Massive Imperial Bureaucracy Has to be swept aside before.
Korea --Vassal of China - Has the same Bureaucracy problems.
Tibet - under the control of the Dali Lama and His Theocracy.
Siam - Stuck between British Burma, and French Indo China
Ethiopia - Surrounded by European Client, or Muslim Religious states, with very few natural resources.
Japan - Succeeded OTL, but only by the skin of their teeth. Easy to see a scenario when they fail.

?Can anyone think of other candidates?

The Sikh empire. Timelines have been done that seemed plausible to me.
 
all the countries above except Tibet tried to pull Meijis - it's just that only Japan was successful.

While in all countries fractions tried to modernise the country, there were also conservative fractions which managed to defeat the reformers in most cases. So you can't say that the country as a whole tried to reform.
 
I meant specifically in regard to racism- IOTL Japanese success didn't change the way in which Europeans treated Indians or Malays or Vietnamese

It did change the reverse though. Without Imperial Japanese successes, a lot less success in decolonization, in Vietnam and Indonesia esp. The Dutch might've taken another thirty years to get kicked out, at least.
 
I believe China could have pulled it off with the 100 Day Reforms at the turn of the 20th century...then Empress Dowager Cixi stopped the reforms and kept China "un-meijied"
 
It did change the reverse though. Without Imperial Japanese successes, a lot less success in decolonization, in Vietnam and Indonesia esp. The Dutch might've taken another thirty years to get kicked out, at least.

I don't know if it would take 30 years- the trouble is that by the late 1890s the intellectual and nationalist underpinnings of the Indian Independence movement are already in place with an entire generation of Anglicised upper-class Indians beginning to ask themselves just why they're allowing Britain to stay.

India is the biggest, richest and most prominent Imperial possession of any European power in the world. Once India gains Independence a lot of other people are going to ask themselves the same question.

One result might be a wider Pan-Asian movement, which ITTL never really did much. If Independent India becomes the champion and supporter of self-government for Asians this might change.
 
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