Prussia stays aligned with France , Britain stays aligned with Austria. How does the remainder of 18th century geopolitics play out?
what if things fall into place so Russia sides with Austria and lives the same as OTL while Spain joins France but only if the war continues into the 1760s and Netherlands remains neutral? align Sweden, Bavaria, Saxony, Denmark, the Ottomans and Portugal to your taste.
Ottomans fight on British side to try and regain land from Russians, right now attacking the Austrians doesn't have much to offer as they already took back a bunch of land in the previous war with the Austrians.
I see what you mean for all of them, except this one. The Russians and Austrians are both allied to the British here, so Britain is not helping them get territory from either. If they want revenge on either one, they side with the traditional French ally, if they feel too vulnerable in the face of an Austro-Russian-British coalition, they sit the war out.
the Ottomans are sitting this one the *bleep* out unless the Austrians are getting hammered
Thing is, I would say the odds are on the Austrians getting hammered, with them dealing with the French, the Prussians and the Bavarians. The Prussians are all the more formidable because they are not fighting any serious opponent to their west. What Savoy is doing and whose side it is on is probably relevant to this equation as well.
Bump.... Also who does Louis XVI marry of he doesn't marry Maria Antonia
Then there will be butterflies preventing the American Revolution and possibly the French Revolution. But even if those manage to crack through, the German State OTL will not come about and there will be an inter-Germanic war for the control of central Europe. Would make a very interesting timeline on a global scale. Effects in the realm of colonial imperialism would include many SABs (Scary Ass Butterflies) I am reminded of an old joke. There's a history conference, and a question is posed: What was the effect of the French Revolution on your country? A French historian leaps up and says My God, there are a hundred books on the subject! We French discuss it daily! I myself would never have been born! An American historian says, oh my, my country would surely be a different place. A Chinese historian comments, saying, you know, that's an interesting question, but frankly, it's too soon to tell.This is basically a massive French and Prussian wank.
This is basically a massive French and Prussian wank.
Things might be different in the colonies,but the French and the Prussians are gonna dominate the battlefields of Continental Europe.IOTL,the Prussians were able to punch well above it's weight against a coalition of Russia,Austria,Saxony,France despite very limited British support.If the French are fighting on the Prussian side,this is gonna tilt the scales on the Prussian and French side heavily.Not convinced Russia, Austria, and Britain can get it done?
Important thing is would Duke Ferdinand of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel be in Hanoverian service if Prussia's allied with France?He was a close ally of Frederick the Great.I was under the impression that the man played a large role in the British-Hanoverian victory and that the general performance of the main British army was far from stellar as well as indicated by their record in North America.I would like to raise some ignored point:
OTL the french performed horrible during 7YW. So instead of british money the prussians get useless franch troops. IIRC OTL except for Troppau the prussians really didnt have to deal with them. The might of France was held in check by Hannover and some other small west german principalities and very few prussian troops. So im not sure the Prussians are not better off with the british.
It was largely because of this horrible performance of the army that they reformed the army after it. In this reform the cooperation with Austria played an important role for example regarding the artillery. And this army played a very important role a bit later during the revolution. So this might change the revolutionary wars and Napoleon fundamentally. If they win this war that might butterfly the reform and even if it doesnt they wont have the austrians helping them with the reform of the artillery.
I would like to raise some ignored point:
OTL the french performed horrible during 7YW. So instead of british money the prussians get useless franch troops. IIRC OTL except for Troppau the prussians really didnt have to deal with them. The might of France was held in check by Hannover and some other small west german principalities and very few prussian troops. So im not sure the Prussians are not better off with the british.
It was largely because of this horrible performance of the army that they reformed the army after it. In this reform the cooperation with Austria played an important role for example regarding the artillery. And this army played a very important role a bit later during the revolution. So this might change the revolutionary wars and Napoleon fundamentally. If they win this war that might butterfly the reform and even if it doesnt they wont have the austrians helping them with the reform of the artillery.