What if Nelson had died before Trafalgar?

why wouldn't the French board their ships and land anywhere they wanted on the east coast? Seems like they're taking the long way.

Still really shaky about why Nap needs to invade if he's not looking to absorb the US states. All he needs to do is land enough troops in LA to be on the defense, close the port of New Orleans, and choke off any economy the states have in the Mississippi valley.

Minor note: the route he would take is up the Natchez Trace, straight to Nashville. Of course, then he has to go over the Appalachian mountains to the populated regions of the US. Methinks it's easier just to pick a spot on the east coast, land his minions, and wreak havoc on any army that dared oppose him. Alternatively, he'd take over West Florida, then head straight to Georgia and the Carolinas. As in Haiti, disease is likely to be more of an issue than the US military. It would make far more sense to go on a binge of conquest of Mexico and its rich mines.
 

Nocrazy

Banned
why wouldn't the French board their ships and land anywhere they wanted on the east coast? Seems like they're taking the long way.

Still really shaky about why Nap needs to invade if he's not looking to absorb the US states. All he needs to do is land enough troops in LA to be on the defense, close the port of New Orleans, and choke off any economy the states have in the Mississippi valley.

Minor note: the route he would take is up the Natchez Trace, straight to Nashville. Of course, then he has to go over the Appalachian mountains to the populated regions of the US. Methinks it's easier just to pick a spot on the east coast, land his minions, and wreak havoc on any army that dared oppose him. Alternatively, he'd take over West Florida, then head straight to Georgia and the Carolinas. As in Haiti, disease is likely to be more of an issue than the US military. It would make far more sense to go on a binge of conquest of Mexico and its rich mines.

The British Navy is playing a big part in kepping Napoleon from using the East Coast. Plus, he was already in New Orleans.
 

Ryan

Donor
The British Navy is playing a big part in kepping Napoleon from using the East Coast. Plus, he was already in New Orleans.

1. It's royal navy (unless you've already decided on a British revolution)
2. I thought the whole idea here was that the royal navy is too weak to challenge the French?
 

Nocrazy

Banned
1. It's royal navy (unless you've already decided on a British revolution)
2. I thought the whole idea here was that the royal navy is too weak to challenge the French?

I know, but the combined American and Britsih Navy? Also, Britain is rebuilding her strength, so we should see a naval clash which sorts things out.
 
no offense, but you're all over the place with implausible scenarios. IF the royal navy is decimated, and France rules the seas, the British aren't rebounding. and if they do, Nap has too big a risk from them at home to go gallivanting in North America.

However, if you want a semi-plausible causus belli for a US-Franco war, have Nap close the New Orleans/Baton Rouge ports (while Nap is raping Spain for possessions, have him take West Florida, too, although, if you want Spain involved in this war, let them keep WF, and have it be a joint closing of the mouth of the Mississippi). OTL, when Spain did this, the US threatened war to open it. I doubt they'll be so cavalier when facing France and Spain, but it's a lot more feasible than what you've presented so far.
 
no offense, but you're all over the place with implausible scenarios. IF the royal navy is decimated, and France rules the seas, the British aren't rebounding. and if they do, Nap has too big a risk from them at home to go gallivanting in North America.

However, if you want a semi-plausible causus belli for a US-Franco war, have Nap close the New Orleans/Baton Rouge ports (while Nap is raping Spain for possessions, have him take West Florida, too, although, if you want Spain involved in this war, let them keep WF, and have it be a joint closing of the mouth of the Mississippi). OTL, when Spain did this, the US threatened war to open it. I doubt they'll be so cavalier when facing France and Spain, but it's a lot more feasible than what you've presented so far.

If Napoleon's forces are still locked in mortal combat in Spain (or are beginning to become so) then I imagine the US would do it. Not much either party could do about it they might figure.

Though since it's highly unlikely Napoleon would go himself, would he still send Leclerc? (if butterflies don't prevent him from becoming Nappy's brother in law of course).
 
I'm presuming that since France magically avoided all the pitfalls they had OTL in Haiti, they also magically avoid the pitfalls in Spain. Seems to me that in one of the reboots of his story Nocrazy had Spain helping out in North America.
 

Nocrazy

Banned
I'm presuming that since France magically avoided all the pitfalls they had OTL in Haiti, they also magically avoid the pitfalls in Spain. Seems to me that in one of the reboots of his story Nocrazy had Spain helping out in North America.

The thing is, I ain't done rewriting it yet, so I will explain on this.
 
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