What if Nazi Germany conquest Russia

"Cold war" in the modern sense is unlikely. The Allies will never accept the continued existence of Nazi Germany. The resulting "peace" would be more akin to the current situation in Korea, but hotter; ground activities basically halted, but the states still being officially at war and naval and air skirmishes likely continuing. Further the "peace" won't last indefinitely; only long enough for either the Western Allies to build up enough that they feel comfortable enough to finish Nazi Germany off, or for Nazi Germany to do something to provoke the Allies. Both possibilities are equally likely, and far more so than the Allies simply giving up.

Well yes, a lull instead of a Cold War, I agree. Eventually the WAllies are going to come back but I imagined that things might be put on hold for a few years while Britain licks it wounds.
 
The Conquest would last a decade at the very most. When every living soul in an area hates the Nazi's, becouse the choices are literally Total Enslavement/Genocide, or fight ot he death, the people under the Nazi Yoke would fight to the bitter end.

They wouldnt conquer anything else, becouse within 10 years, the Reich would be a broken shadow, either having retreated on all fronts, or blasted to radioactive ash.

It would literally take Cthulu arising and siding with Germany to conquer and hold the Soviet Union, and even then, I'd give it 50-50 odds at best.
 
Well yes, a lull instead of a Cold War, I agree. Eventually the WAllies are going to come back but I imagined that things might be put on hold for a few years while Britain licks it wounds.

Indeed, a kind of Marshall plan will be needed to help Britain.

The Conquest would last a decade at the very most. When every living soul in an area hates the Nazi's, becouse the choices are literally Total Enslavement/Genocide, or fight ot he death, the people under the Nazi Yoke would fight to the bitter end.

They wouldnt conquer anything else, becouse within 10 years, the Reich would be a broken shadow, either having retreated on all fronts, or blasted to radioactive ash.

It would literally take Cthulu arising and siding with Germany to conquer and hold the Soviet Union, and even then, I'd give it 50-50 odds at best.

I disagree. Partisan formations are ineffective without outside support, and with the Soviet Union forced into a position where most of it's European territories have been taken it won't be able to provide the kind of support and organization it did OTL; hundreds of thousands of weapons and supplies, not to mention commanders, were provided to the partisans IOTL. Not to say there won't be a large partisan movement, but you're overstating it's effect.
 
This is probably a stupidly ASB idea but would it be possible for Germany to make some sort of treaty with some of the conquered nations to allow a peaceful withdrawal. In the West this might mean that by offering all sorts of carrots to countrys like France and Belgium they can 'buy' their neutrality, allowing the wehrmacht to pull out leaving a neutral buffer zone between the English Channel and the Rhine.
 
It's good to see Jason222 wanting to discuss something other than Israel, Jews and Palestinians.

If Hitler wanted an instant fleet then he would have found a way to seize the French Navy or the Italian one. Japan is a long journey across the Siberian tundra and desert wastes of central Asia just to get some ships.

By the time his army got there the Beatles would already have split up and George Harrison would be following the Maharishi.
 
This is probably a stupidly ASB idea but would it be possible for Germany to make some sort of treaty with some of the conquered nations to allow a peaceful withdrawal. In the West this might mean that by offering all sorts of carrots to countrys like France and Belgium they can 'buy' their neutrality, allowing the wehrmacht to pull out leaving a neutral buffer zone between the English Channel and the Rhine.

I don't know if it would be possible in the sense of "would it be accepted", but I cannot see Hitler offering it.

Plus, the vast majority of the Heer and most of the Luftwaffe went into the USSR OTL - having more men is just going to overwhelm the railroads and roads (and horses. The poor horses.).
 
Even if the Nazis managed to conquer European Russia, there isn't much that they can do to stop the Americans hitting them with nuclear weapons until they scream uncle.
 
The Red Army managed to handle the sheer logistics of advancing from Tobolsk, right at the foot of Urals, to Chita near the Manchurian border, in just 4 months.

And these months were in the dead of Siberian winter. Mid-October 1919 to mid-February 1920.

Suppose that Wehrmacht manages to repear that feat - chase Red Army from Moscow to Urals in two months (October to December 1941) and then from Urals past Baikal in another four (by April 1942).

If they are rid of the losses of men and ammunition on Eastern Front, have been able to send much of the forces from East to Africa and elsewhere from end of 1941...

What will they be doing about UK? Such as RAF (who survived the First Battle of Britain), Royal Navy (still superior, and holding Malta despite the German capture of Soviet Black Sea Fleet in Georgia), and the fronts of Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan against the British occupying forces in Iran?
 
The Red Army managed to handle the sheer logistics of advancing from Tobolsk, right at the foot of Urals, to Chita near the Manchurian border, in just 4 months.

And these months were in the dead of Siberian winter. Mid-October 1919 to mid-February 1920.

Suppose that Wehrmacht manages to repear that feat - chase Red Army from Moscow to Urals in two months (October to December 1941) and then from Urals past Baikal in another four (by April 1942).

If they are rid of the losses of men and ammunition on Eastern Front, have been able to send much of the forces from East to Africa and elsewhere from end of 1941...

What will they be doing about UK? Such as RAF (who survived the First Battle of Britain), Royal Navy (still superior, and holding Malta despite the German capture of Soviet Black Sea Fleet in Georgia), and the fronts of Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan against the British occupying forces in Iran?

I don't even know where to begin with this.
 
If Barbarossa somehow works and the Germans conquer everything up to the Urals, that is a territory about five to six times the size of Germany. Filled with people who hated the Germans. Whether Germany annexes all that or creates puppet states, it is going to be a massive drain on manpower and resources just to keep it pacified.

At this point ALL of Europe is either under his direct control or an ally except for the UK, Sweden, Switzerland, and Portugal. I think even he would be satisfied, and would want to consolidate his position, not look for even more conquests with his already overstretched military.

Keep in mind that immediately following the Fall of France he was willing to make (from his perspective) a generous peace with Britain in order to end the war. He never had any wish to gain territory outside of Europe. He was obsessed with the east, not with North Africa or India. I believe he would try to make terms with the UK. Whether or not he would succeed is a whole other matter, but I doubt even Hitler (especially a victorious Hitler in 1941) would be delusional enough to try and conquer more.

An interesting thought.

Say Barbarossa does go according to plan and Moscow and Lenningrad are captured within eight weeks. Stalin is arrested and executed by Beria or the Army following the fall of Moscow. What's left of the Red Army collapses and the Soviets surrender. By the time December rolls around the Soviet Union is gone and the only remaining enemy is the UK. Do the British keep fighting if Hitler offers them peace? Does Churchill stay in power? Do the Japanese still turn south or do they rush north to grab as much as they can cheaply? If there is still an attack on Pearl Harbor does Hitler still declare war?
 
Read Calbear's timeline The Anglo/American-Nazi War. It gives you a pretty good idea what would happen next in this scenario.
 

trajen777

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Take baltic states - and white russia -- some support of in independent Ukraine and Crimera -- Peace with Britan -- some France occupation -- then settleing down -- they would never occupy all russia -- they had dominance of balkins -- and America is too far -- so dont see future wars
 
Say Barbarossa does go according to plan and Moscow and Lenningrad are captured within eight weeks. Stalin is arrested and executed by Beria or the Army following the fall of Moscow. What's left of the Red Army collapses and the Soviets surrender. By the time December rolls around the Soviet Union is gone and the only remaining enemy is the UK. Do the British keep fighting if Hitler offers them peace? Does Churchill stay in power? Do the Japanese still turn south or do they rush north to grab as much as they can cheaply? If there is still an attack on Pearl Harbor does Hitler still declare war?

They'd need to storm Leningrad, that would be a bloody mess. As for taking Moscow that simply means AGC is digging it's own grave. As the Soviet armies massing behind Moscow encircle the battle-worn German formations.

Beria shooting Stalin is ASB, as is any chanc of Barbarossa working. Frankly th Germans did about as well as thy could hope for in 1941 OTL. And even they were almost routed during th Soviet wintr offensiv.
 
Because of the guerrilla war the Germans could not move all that many troops West. It would mean that US Uk forces liberate Eastern Europe. There is no cold war.
 

Kongzilla

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With Germany content in Europe the Japanese will suffer. Without a European theater the Americans can put all their forces into the Pacific theater. The Japanese Home islands are reached by 44. With no Nuclear bomb. And most of the Infrastructure of Japan still intact. Operation Downfall is launched.
 
With Germany content in Europe the Japanese will suffer. Without a European theater the Americans can put all their forces into the Pacific theater. The Japanese Home islands are reached by 44. With no Nuclear bomb. And most of the Infrastructure of Japan still intact. Operation Downfall is launched.

Germany won't be "content", it will be "bogged down with guerrillas".
 
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