What if nations with empires treated the natives the Way the US did

What if the European Empires had treated the Native Population the Same Way the US did in the 1800's .
The US moved the Native Americans out of the Eastern half of the United States by the 1840's . And By the 1880's we had killed off most of the Buffalo in the Plains .
How would the world Look by the time of the Spanish American War .
And how large would the Reservation's be for then Native Population in Africa and the Far East .
And What type of lands would the native populations been stuck with .
 
What if the European Empires had treated the Native Population the Same Way the US did in the 1800's .
The US moved the Native Americans out of the Eastern half of the United States by the 1840's . And By the 1880's we had killed off most of the Buffalo in the Plains .
How would the world Look by the time of the Spanish American War .
And how large would the Reservation's be for then Native Population in Africa and the Far East .
And What type of lands would the native populations been stuck with .
Depends, in Africa or in the Americas?
 
Well, it did happen in some places, articularly South Africa, however overall it's simply not doable in most of the world, unless you sugges the Empires practic systematic genocide on a level surpassing Nazi Germany.
 
We're talking about vastly denser native populations with much more established states, places almost completely unappetizing to European farming colonists, colonies who's proftability depends on the exploitation of native labour and selling goods to native peoples. It's not feasible, except in a few cases which were, like the American west, settler colonies to begin with.
 
There were proposals for it in New Zealand. Much of the responsible government wanted to turn the Taranaki into a Maori reservation, but the land was too attractive for agriculturalists to ignore, and they confiscated it. They also wanted to turn the Waikato region into a reservation, but had the same problem.
 
If we're talking about India it would be one of if not the largest genocide in the history of man if the percentage of deaths were the same for the Native Americans. :(:(:(
 
There is alos the colonization culture itself. England sent entire families and, in the religious minorities, entire communities, who needed farmlands empty of native riffraff. Spain and Portugal, on the other side, tended to send younger sons, who then needed a wife from the native population.
 
Answer seems pretty simple to me. There would be a hell of a lot more whities around...
But on a serious note, it would be really difficult for the kind of death that us americans did on other continents, especially asia and africa. A lot of Native Americans died from plague and disease brought over by the Europeans, plagues and diseases that had already passed through Asia and Africa. This kind of biological thinning of Native populations (some estimate over 80% were killed by disease, but i think that's a bit of an exaggeration) definitely made it easier to conquer and subjugate and eventually all but completely erase the Native American population
 
If we're talking about India it would be one of if not the largest genocide in the history of man if the percentage of deaths were the same for the Native Americans. :(:(:(
It would also be impossible. White settlers in what is now the US outnumbered the Indians due to the catastrophic effects of smallpox etc. The British troops in India, despite being at some points 20% of the British Army, were vastly outnumbered not just by the native population, but by the Indian troops under British command.

The British could only conquer India with the aid of Indian states. If they embarked on a campaign of genocide, they would "not last three weeks."

The other thing this reminds me of is that Genghis Khan allegedly considered depopulating China and turning it into a horse pasture. A New World-style campaign of genocidal conquest in the Old World would be similarly colossal and impractical- only the Mongols could have done it, and even they realised it would be a stupid idea. After all, most military strategies aim at getting the other country to surrender rather than fighting to the last man.
 
Most of the ones in America actually *did* do this. In all of America, from the Arctic to Tierra del Fuego Amerindians were 100% of the population in 1491. The caste system in South America ends up screwing over the "Indios" who also happen to be rather smaller than the Mestizos. And in the Caribbean the genocide of Native Americans there was unfortunately very successful indeed. :( It's not a cheerful thought but there's no nation in the New World that got where it was without genocide. Only the USA went on to global superpowerdom, though.
 
Most of the ones in America actually *did* do this. In all of America, from the Arctic to Tierra del Fuego Amerindians were 100% of the population in 1491. The caste system in South America ends up screwing over the "Indios" who also happen to be rather smaller than the Mestizos. And in the Caribbean the genocide of Native Americans there was unfortunately very successful indeed. :( It's not a cheerful thought but there's no nation in the New World that got where it was without genocide. Only the USA went on to global superpowerdom, though.

Actually most people in Latin America have some degree of native ancestry.
 
My point being that he had already accounted for the mestizos. It should be noted that mestizos generally had their origin in a, if you will excuse the term, "squaw" sort of situation. The existence of mestizos does not indicate that the natives actually did any better.
 
My point being that he had already accounted for the mestizos. It should be noted that mestizos generally had their origin in a, if you will excuse the term, "squaw" sort of situation. The existence of mestizos does not indicate that the natives actually did any better.

I never said that the situation was better. The Spanish and French were tolerable of the native populations but then again the Spanish nor French ever sent European families to migrate en masse to the Americas like the English
 

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What if the European Empires had treated the Native Population the Same Way the US did in the 1800's .
The US moved the Native Americans out of the Eastern half of the United States by the 1840's . And By the 1880's we had killed off most of the Buffalo in the Plains .
How would the world Look by the time of the Spanish American War .
And how large would the Reservation's be for then Native Population in Africa and the Far East .
And What type of lands would the native populations been stuck with .

Well there were ethnic cleansing on occiasians which was quite large or damaging. But the nature of a colonial empire's that stop this from happening. They needed to exploite the labour force of the natives to harvest there natural resources. Then they need some one other then europeans to sell there products to aswell. Other then a settler colonie's like america who's native population is far less then the settlers.And the settler population keeps growing. It just not possible.

Its not morals stoping the europeans from doing it. Its just that its bad for bussiness. Plus some of the territories they had were very densly population the project would be to hard to accomplish.
 
Well there were ethnic cleansing on occiasians which was quite large or damaging. But the nature of a colonial empire's that stop this from happening. They needed to exploite the labour force of the natives to harvest there natural resources. Then they need some one other then europeans to sell there products to aswell. Other then a settler colonie's like america who's native population is far less then the settlers.And the settler population keeps growing. It just not possible.

Its not morals stoping the europeans from doing it. Its just that its bad for bussiness. Plus some of the territories they had were very densly population the project would be to hard to accomplish.

The best model for 'assimilation' would probably be the Brazilian model. Encouraging intermarriage and cultural assimilation basically erasing the racial lines eventually.
 
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