What if Nationalism replaces Communism as the big scare?

What if instead of Communism gaining a rapid rise in both popularity and danger to even the great powers, nationalism did? That is, what if following WWI, nationalist groups across the world became more likely to rise up against their parent country?
 
What if instead of Communism gaining a rapid rise in both popularity and danger to even the great powers, nationalism did? That is, what if following WWI, nationalist groups across the world became more likely to rise up against their parent counCountry?
Maybe die hard anti-clerical fascist groups that want outright destroy government and institutions ? Problem is, they have little in common save for an extremist ideology.
 
What if instead of Communism gaining a rapid rise in both popularity and danger to even the great powers, nationalism did? That is, what if following WWI, nationalist groups across the world became more likely to rise up against their parent country?

The trick here is that nationalism, by definition, is not internationalist like Communism was. "Workers of the World, Unite!" carries with it a threat to the very existance of the state, while nationalists even if they want to change its form would ultimately maintain the bedrock foundations of the society and the nation as an entity, so their proposed changes would be less radical.

Now, maybe if we're talking some kind of pan-nationalist ideal (Say, Pan-Catholicism, Pan-Slavism, ect.) in an extreme authoritian perception of the Volk, you might be able to make this work. But it'd require a very specific set of circumstances
 

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Nationalists can be co-opted. Nationalists are willing to cooperate with existing power holders like businesses, the military, and religious authorities. Nationalists have no desire of spreading a world revolution. After World War 1 the only nationalists left that wanted to rise up against their government were fascists, and the only successful fascist movements existed in countries that had significant communist movements - fascism was a reaction to communism. This isn't a feasible scenario, unless by nationalists you are referring to separatists and colonial independence movements.
 
the problem is one persons nationalism is another's something or other

think I heard this phrase before, one mans garbage is another mans treasure.. or something like that


its all about nationalism at some level. the soviets co'oped the Russian empire .. rebranded through their own on top.

the usa is a very nationalistic place.. all nations are.. that's why they are nations

now destroy nationalism.. eh... good luck, how? extreme nationalism? sure, that's called being the good neighbor. no to destroy the ones that say, screw you my nationalism trumps yours? and I invade you? and kill you because mine is better?
well that's what we have had through out history. problem is humans suck .. humans in groups suck even more, humans in very large groups with good weapons.. well they suck the most. in the end we are not much better than any other creature on this planet, we hunt, kill, reproduce and defend our children and nests. you would think we would grow beyond that it is the 21st century , alas, I give you 18 years of us war in the middle east, I give you the Yugoslav wars, Chechnya, central America, Somalia, sri lanka, ISIS, and other groups, I give you colonialism, korea, the USA, Japan, Nazi Germany, the USSR the British, the French, the Chinese, all of world war II and world war I .. pol pot, mao, stalin and others...



humans suck

nationalism is just group expression for this is my turf .. this in turn gets bastardized into .. hey that's my turf too or that was my turf.. or you look close enough to me and that should be my turf

So communisms big scare was they decided to squelch on debts.. Then play World revolution . Then Stalinism.. This in turned scared entrenched business.. This was turned into don't trust Russians and or socialism let alone communism which became the antithesis of capitalism and greed. Hence why labor is vilified in the USA.

Nationalism never scared business.. Hell business made money on nationalism. Just ask Ford, IBM and others
 
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What if a nationalism of method, not location, race, or economics, came about? Think Technocracy on crack.

That's A) not nationalism and B) naturally hyper-limited in its appeal. One rarely can get a mass movement behind explicently ignoring the interests/conclusions of the masses by a (self-selected) elite
 
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