What if Napoleon the Third had backed the Confederacy?

TFSmith121

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This is a heck of a threadjack...from 1862 to 1922

The posts are all very interesting, however.

Almost worth a thread in themselves.

Best,
 
1) Which would reach mass bloc obsolescence post-WWI. Because the USN (by financial prudence) and the IJN (by physical and resource limitations) constructed fewer ships with a concentration of technical R&D, they had by the end of WWI each a sizable fleet of their own while the British had a massive fleet of pre-dreadnoughts and war weary dreadnoughts fit only for the scrapyards. Though the lessons of Jutland made every battleship on earth obsolete. The WNT helped every nation, but none more than Britain.

2) :(

3) :p

I don't disagree. A fair point.

This is a heck of a threadjack...from 1862 to 1922

Yes… sorry about that.

The posts are all very interesting, however.

Almost worth a thread in themselves.

Best,

Thank you for the compliment… and was that a somewhat pointed tone I noticed in the last sentence? :D
 

TFSmith121

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Not at all - just interesting to see the movement of the conversation

Thank you for the compliment… and was that a somewhat pointed tone I noticed in the last sentence? :D

Not at all - just interesting to see the movement of the conversation. Small group dynamics are always interesting, virtual or otherwise.

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What exactly would the U.S. do with the French possessions in the Americas?

Set up strong man governments to rule under America's orders, after being made "independent" banana republics. See Haiti.:( I think the USA would annex Martinique outright, however. If only for the beaches.:cool:
 
Set up strong man governments to rule under America's orders, after being made "independent" banana republics. See Haiti.:( I think the USA would annex Martinique outright, however. If only for the beaches.:cool:

I was wondering if it these would be places some in the U.S. would advocate dumping newly freed slaves.
 
I was wondering if it these would be places some in the U.S. would advocate dumping newly freed slaves.

That was really always a non-starter. Consider the horrific circumstances of the Middle Passage, and that had the rum-molasses-slave triangle to economically support what little care was given the slaves en route. The Blacks of America built the physical foundations of America, right down to her roads, rails, canals, sewer systems, bridges, and capitol. They were NOT going to accept a "OK, you're finished, now get out!" message. After generations of toiling to support their White masters in the lap of luxury, they were quite ready to support themselves on their own, thank you very much.

Besides, there were four million freed ex-slaves. Moving that number of people, even to the Caribbean-nevermind Africa-would have bankrupted an already near bankrupt USA after the costs of the American Civil War. Did they expect the freedmen to pay for the journey themselves? And anyway, the Caribbean islands were overpopulated as it was.
 
That was really always a non-starter. Consider the horrific circumstances of the Middle Passage, and that had the rum-molasses-slave triangle to economically support what little care was given the slaves en route. The Blacks of America built the physical foundations of America, right down to her roads, rails, canals, sewer systems, bridges, and capitol. They were NOT going to accept a "OK, you're finished, now get out!" message. After generations of toiling to support their White masters in the lap of luxury, they were quite ready to support themselves on their own, thank you very much.

Besides, there were four million freed ex-slaves. Moving that number of people, even to the Caribbean-nevermind Africa-would have bankrupted an already near bankrupt USA after the costs of the American Civil War. Did they expect the freedmen to pay for the journey themselves? And anyway, the Caribbean islands were overpopulated as it was.

I agree, I just know that the idea of deporting freedmen was one which was far too slow in dying. Coupled with the fact that many Americans are not all that likely to move to (here formerly French) Guiana and I wasn't sure how things would play out.
 
I agree, I just know that the idea of deporting freedmen was one which was far too slow in dying. Coupled with the fact that many Americans are not all that likely to move to (here formerly French) Guiana and I wasn't sure how things would play out.

Yeah. I saw Papillon. And The Dreyfus Affair films (the three that I know of). Devil's Island. Why would anyone ever want it?:confused:
 
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