What If King Henry VIII had been born a girl?

Hey Guys,

Not really anything else to add, that's pretty much it. What if King Henry VIII had been born a girl and was called Elizabeth? What would be the short and long term affects of this?
 
Stuart England

When Arthur dies, a tiny bit of chaos ensues over who will inherit the throne of England--since Edmund, Duke of Somerset; the only other son of Henry VII died a few years before Arthur. The tiny bit of chaos continues until Margaret travels south to claim her thrown with James IV, uniting the two warring kingdoms of Scotland and England under one crown, creating an United Kingdom that continues on into the forseeable future as a catholic country.

Possible Kings & Queens of the United Kingdoms of England, Scotland, Ireland, & France:

Margaret & James I (IV)
James II (V) & Madeline I (first marriage) & Mary I (second marriage)
Mary II -- whom she marries is up in the air, although I doubt it would be Henry Stuart

~Salamon2
 
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Based on the names they chose here's the new list:

Arthur b1487 died 1502
Margaret Tudor b 1489
Elizabeth Tudor b 1491 (our Henry VIII)
Mary Tudor b1492 d 1495 (our Elizabeth Tudor)
Katherine Tudor b 1496 (our Mary Tudor)
Edmund Tudor b 1499 d 1500
Cecily?? Tudor b 1503 d 1503 (our Katherine Tudor)

Would suspect Margaret Tudor's betrothal to James IV goes ahead but the death of her brother in April 1502 before she travelled to Scotland will cause real concern. Henry VII's view was that the marriage even if she fell heir to England wouldn't harm England will prevail. The Queen's final pregnancy is going to be much more important and when she dies in childbirth the King is going to be pressed to remarry. It's also likely that the pressure on Margaret Tudor after the failures of her first pregnancies will increase - our new Elizabeth and Katherine Tudor are going to become real marital catches now.
The crisis will come in 1509 - when Henry dies - I suspect his mother (who died a few months later) will be named regent for the absent Queen Margaret
Henry VII died 21st April, Margaret Beaufort on June 29th. Margaret Tudor was pregnant in April (her son Arthur Duke of Rothesay was born in October) but given it was early there was nothing stopping her travelling south in fact the fact that she was with child would encourage the trip then the child would be born in England. As for the future - I suspect the council will take action to ensure that James is ignored and not included in the Government - the question is whether James travels south with her. His charm and intelligence may actually help if he does. Given that you've got rid of Flodden he lives longer meaning Margaret doesn't fall into the mess she did with dodgy second husbands as in otl and the succession is more likely to be assured with further royal children.
A much earlier personal union and probably a delayed reformation in England.
 
Henry VIII

There are still Plantagenet claimants. Margaret, Countess of Salisbury is one. I don't know if there was every any plotting on her behalf, but after Prince Arthur's death, who knows?
 
Trouble with Margaret Countess of Salisbury's claim is that she was close to Catherine of Aragon and remained close to Henry VIII until the collapse of his first marriage (she was governess to the Princess Mary as well).
And her claim is only valid after the exhaustion of Edward IV's line - all of Henry VII's children by Elizabeth of York and the Courteny Earl's of Devon descended from Katherine of York.
 
Based on the names they chose here's the new list:

Arthur b1487 died 1502
Margaret Tudor b 1489
Elizabeth Tudor b 1491 (our Henry VIII)
Mary Tudor b1492 d 1495 (our Elizabeth Tudor)
Katherine Tudor b 1496 (our Mary Tudor)
Edmund Tudor b 1499 d 1500
Cecily?? Tudor b 1503 d 1503 (our Katherine Tudor)

Would suspect Margaret Tudor's betrothal to James IV goes ahead but the death of her brother in April 1502 before she travelled to Scotland will cause real concern. Henry VII's view was that the marriage even if she fell heir to England wouldn't harm England will prevail. The Queen's final pregnancy is going to be much more important and when she dies in childbirth the King is going to be pressed to remarry. It's also likely that the pressure on Margaret Tudor after the failures of her first pregnancies will increase - our new Elizabeth and Katherine Tudor are going to become real marital catches now.
The crisis will come in 1509 - when Henry dies - I suspect his mother (who died a few months later) will be named regent for the absent Queen Margaret
Henry VII died 21st April, Margaret Beaufort on June 29th. Margaret Tudor was pregnant in April (her son Arthur Duke of Rothesay was born in October) but given it was early there was nothing stopping her travelling south in fact the fact that she was with child would encourage the trip then the child would be born in England. As for the future - I suspect the council will take action to ensure that James is ignored and not included in the Government - the question is whether James travels south with her. His charm and intelligence may actually help if he does. Given that you've got rid of Flodden he lives longer meaning Margaret doesn't fall into the mess she did with dodgy second husbands as in otl and the succession is more likely to be assured with further royal children.
A much earlier personal union and probably a delayed reformation in England.

That is VERY impressive

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
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