What if - Japan discovers Nuclear weapons first

The "History" Channel is as good a source as Wiki or Storm Front, which is to say it sucks.

It produces "documentaries which shade, spin, and otherwise ignore the truth in order to attract credulous fools. The more fools who watch, the higher ratings, and the more the "History" Channel gets in ad revenues.



For a given value of "valid".


Your right BBC is so much better, unlike your American history documentories we are accurate:):):)
 
The "History" Channel is as good a source as Wiki or Storm Front, which is to say it sucks. It produces "documentaries which shade, spin, and otherwise ignore the truth in order to attract credulous fools. The more fools who watch, the higher ratings, and the more the "History" Channel gets in ad revenues. For a given value of "valid".

The History Channel used to be good, back in the day when they actually aired historical material, instead of this bullshit alien UFO and ghosthunting shit. Just rename the channel to Aliens and Ghosts Channel, for Christ's sake. Come on, History Channel; you used to be cool.
 
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Nietzsche

Banned
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t374270-4/
"The truth is Hitler was not tough enough in the end. I mean he felt a kinmanship toward the Brits and allowed 300,000 British soldiers to escape. He put the Jews in camps complete with showers, kitchens, beds and recreation. Be nice to the enemy and see where it gets you."

I have no idea which battle was it.

...I don't think putting Jews in chlorine-gas showers, and baking them in kitchen ovens counts as hospitality.
 
The History Channel used to be good, back in the day when they actually aired historical material, instead of this bullshit alien UFO and ghosthunting shit. Just rename the channel to Aliens and Ghosts Channel, for Christ's sake. Come on, History Channel; you used to be cool.

The documentory about Japan was a documentory back when History channel used to be great however some of their episodes, they are almost as bad as the heroes and villains documentories...... Ever saw they're video on Columbus HC glorifies that son of a ***** who commited genocide which is never mentioned, really Columbus is a piece of trash whose deeds are like Hitler's except unlike Hitler he succeeded in Genocide of evey last Taino.... Yet in America their is a national holiday about him, and people believe he was the first to discover America, he also killed Spaniards, bad sailor, plus he believed he reached India, although the HC says he was aiming to get to China... A bunch of BS.....
 
The idea that no one but the US could build a A-bomb by 1945 is baloney. The Japanese actually had a pretty decent nuclear program and they DID have access to heavy water, at a facility in what is now North Korea (wonder if they use it too?)

There is a POD were Enrico Fermi narrowly misses observing nuclear fission during some experiments with uranium in Rome sometime in the '20s early '30s. Thats your best bet.
 
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t374270-4/
"The truth is Hitler was not tough enough in the end. I mean he felt a kinmanship toward the Brits and allowed 300,000 British soldiers to escape. He put the Jews in camps complete with showers, kitchens, beds and recreation. Be nice to the enemy and see where it gets you."

I have no idea which battle was it.


Did he really just quote Stormfront???!!!!!

Why in the bloody hell would someone even consider doing such a thing?

I dont think he should have got banned, sure his sources were batshit insane, but he never said himself that he supported or believed in any of it.

We should have let him defend/explain himself...
 
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I would have to say that anyone who looks at Stormfront either knows and approves of what it is or...well, I don't the level of ignorance involved would permit use of a computer.
 
The idea that no one but the US could build a A-bomb by 1945 is baloney.

The idea that anyone in the 1940s could afford to fight WW2 and build an atomic bomb is ludicrous.
The Japanese actually had a pretty decent nuclear program...
A few test tubes in a lab won't cut it.

... and they DID have access to heavy water...
Which is actually unnecessary seeing as the one power who actually built an atomic weapon in this period, the US, didn't use heavy water.

There is a POD were Enrico Fermi narrowly misses observing nuclear fission during some experiments with uranium in Rome sometime in the '20s early '30s. Thats your best bet.
Rubbish. Rutherford observed fission without realizing it in 1917. Fermi claimed to observe fission in 1934 but couldn't prove it to the satisfaction of his peers.

This is yet another Done To Death(tm) and one that is being currently touched upon in this thread.

As has been repeatedly pointed by myself and others for years on these boards now, the problem with building an atomic weapon in the 1940s is not with theory but with the production of fissionables. The US alone was rich enough and untouched enough to build, not one, but two huge production streams for both uranium and plutonium.

Furthermore, the design of the uranium weapon was considered such a no-brainer that it wasn't even tested prior to Hiroshima. The only hurdle in building the uranium weapon was not theory but the amount of U-235 available to build it.

In the case of the plutonium weapon, there were theoretical hurdles. However, as with the uranium weapon, the production of the plutonium isotope the weapon required was the largest hurdle involved.

The idea that Japan, a nation whose economy during the period was barely larger than Italy's and a nation whose economy was already buckling under the strain of producing armaments, could afford to build and operate a fissionables production stream while also fighting a war against Britain, China, and the US is asinine.

Absent a "deep" and "wrenching" POD or PODs which would also change a "WW2" out of all recognition, the claim that Japan could build an atomic weapon is nonsense.
 
Apart from the other criticisms of Gochoson, he obvious didn't use the search function :(. I remember trying produce a POD for Japan getting an atom bomb in this thread. It was fairly difficult but it would be easier if Japan did not have to fight any wars.
 
Apart from the other criticisms of Gochoson, he obvious didn't use the search function :(. I remember trying produce a POD for Japan getting an atom bomb in this thread. It was fairly difficult but it would be easier if Japan did not have to fight any wars.

He was a troll. First he asks a done-to-death question and posts links to disgusting hate sites.
 
In the trench wars, a soldier who escaped with little harm historically suffer from gasing and in a fever-induced dream, sees unstable planets orbiting bigger planets.

After the war, he becomes a scientist, who comes to have contact with Japanese scientists after the mid 20s.
He becomes a celebrity but 1930 and over, he still faces poverty, he joins the NSDAP and shatter some red jaws with a rusty pipe in Berlin street fights in 1931.

In 1932, idea of an atomic reaction bomb is theorised, the German republic gives him a job in a cover weapon program for the heer, to bypass the Versaille treaty.

In 1933, when Hitler comes to power, he meets Hitler and suggest starting a cover program with the Japanese to compensate loosing the cooperation with the Soviets and that even if Japanese lacks inventivity, he demonstrates that their contribution will cut down the work for Germans. He also reveals that therepublic most likely leaked the idea of an atomic reaction bomb to the Soviet-Union, Hitler grows concerned the international jew conspiracy works to find such a superweapon.

A few years later, testing of different elements reveals Uranium properties. By 1936, the Soviet-Union have noticed censorship of German atomic physics papers, while Hitler orders a full-scale project after the rise of the left in France and Spain.
The Soviet-Union have limited industrial and scientifical powers and thus calls out for a join project with France, which is later joined by the UK after the Czechoslovake crisis.

In summer 1939, the Soviet-Union signs the pact of non-agression with the 3rd Reich still. Hovewer, the test of the first reaction bomb in November 1939 convinces the Anglo-French to make a new deal with Stalin, to betray the non-agression pact should Hitler strike west.
Hitler decides to waite with atomic attacks, the allies have massive amounts of chemical weapons and only 2-3 more are made by the time Case Yellow is initialised. Japan seizes Dutch Indonesia as more oil is needed, the focus on a more advanced military had limited military adventurism in China, thus no Sino-Japanese conflict.
The Red Army strikes into Poland and eastern prussia by surprise, then retreates from Poland and East Prussia destroying railways and blowing up bridges, to attack Romania and the Ploesti oilfields.
France is beaten but the governement retreates to Alger and the remants hold mountainous regions in southern France. It takes a while for the 3rd Reich armies to take back Romania and the Ploesti oilfields.
Germans takes time securing Romania, then go backto France to finnish the job, then put the oilfields back online and raises the luftwaffe.
A dozen more atomic bombs are produced by spring 1941, the UK threaten escalation to chemical warfare in case of attacks, which would need the luftwaffe over Germany itself to deal with.
The Germans pushes into the Soviet-Union, securing Kiev and Minsk in summer, then moves toward the caucase.
The southern caucase is well-defended, in spring 1942 Hitler orders the axis armies to retreat west.
Moscow is bombed heavily with atomic bombs but the Soviet-Union doesn´t collapse, the governement have evacuated to the Urals with much of the important industries of Leningrad and Moscow. Chemical weapons are used in the eastern front, the UK start bombarding Germany and Italy with chemical bombs.
Hitler is angered and in summer 1942 orders retaliation against english cities, starting with London using nerve gas (no atomic bomb against fellow aryans, yet). The USA declares war on the 3rd Reich, Kingdom of Italy and the rest of the european axis. Churchill makes a secret agreement with Hitler, strategic bombings are stopped for the time being. Hitler begina renewed offensive into the Soviet-Union, more atomic bombs are dropped against Moscow, a few other cities are hit. Caucase defence lines before Moscow are broken with chemical weapons and neurotoxic gases, the Soviet-Union uses better poison gas to attack the new axis allies like Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, western ukrainen and some puppet tartare state in the Crimea.
In 1943, Hitler fortifies axis position in the caucase and Volga, oil production goes up but not at optimal level. Oilfields needs to be defended by the luftwaffe against the Red airforce attacks and RAF attacks from southern Iran.
The United States leads Operation Overload, massive chemical and conventional bombing of German cities, while their forces invades Spain(Italy is too fortified), on November 20th 1943 they soon discover that Walter Weaver´s bombers can reach New York.
The Red Army begins a general advance and a million US volunteers agree to fight in the east front, where they find out they should have double-lined boots and that their rifles clogges and often even breake in half during winter time.
The Red Army reaches Soviet borders by summer 1944, the allies provokes Hitler into using atomic bombs against England´s cities so they can open their way into France with atomic bombs without Hitler closing the road for them with atomic bombs right after. Stalin test his own atomic bomb but does not use it on the front, instead the Red Army uses more lethal chemical weapons en mass.
Between February and April 1945, Berlin is hit with atomic bombs several times, then comes the Red Army.
The SS blow up most facilities before the allies can seize them, German strategic bombers (no longer usefull in battle due to allied fighter mass production) fly Walter Weaver and said scientist into exile to Japan, Roosevelt demands Stalin´s support against Japan but seeing the US applying its destruction plans of what remnaines of German industry, Stalin make a deal with the Japanese and Chinese. Hand over some territories and in the case of Japan, all informations on atomic bomb construction.
In 1946, Mao and the Chinese communistes had their own state in central China, re-equppied by the Red Army they begin fighting Chiang while Japan and the US are threatening each other. The US decides to allow the Japanese to seize their part of China so the whole of it doesn´t go red.
Elections in western europe occures in 1950, communists win in France and south Italy, the US support military coups to overthrow the new governements and send the US army to help crush dissent. The United Kingdom is dissolved in 1951 by corrupt pro-US politicians, abolish the monarchy in a cup in 1953 (despite 3/4 voting for it), post-war england is a corrupt military dictatorship facing guerilla warfare, 15 millions discontent Britons joins the Queen in Australia over the next decades. Frances becomes a military dictatorship ranked as the world´s 3rd greatest military power, preserves its colonial empire with US military help.

In 1981, Greater Indonesia invades Australia, New Zealand and South Africa sides with Australia. Stalemath occures, the dictator of indonesia launch bombers with tactical nuclear bombs against Sydney and Melbourne, most are shot down and the Austral Alliance retaliates. The United States condemnes the Austral Alliance as this dicator and Indonesia was on their side but doesn´t dare to get involved directly.

TTL, the great power relies on fighting an eventual WW3 with tactical nuclear bombs of all sorts, as well as using biological and chemical weapons en mass instead of maintaining large conventional armies and ammunitions. Nuclear proliferation spreads like wildfire. Atomic car-mounted bazookas massively fielded in the mid 80s, evidently with so many tactical weapons, some invariably gets lost to re-appeare in the hands of organised crime, political guerilla groups and tin-pot dicators. The risks of an all-out war are much lower than historically, as a nuclear and chemical war had already been fought. I mean, if you where the prime Minister of the Soviet-Union or President of the US, would you fight a global war where the other big axis member is still active and Monarchist Australia leades the "rogue states"??
 
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