What if Italy gets the land they were promised during WWI?

Italy was not given everything they were promised in the original timeline.

I'm not sure what the POD would be (trying to have minimal butterflies during WWI itself), but what if they had in fact been given everything they were told they would get?
 
Sure greatly reduce the 'Mutilated victory' myth but the fascist are not butterflyed away as the problem that created them existed before and were greatly exacerbated by the war and the following economic troubles. Nevertheless they had less argument and the democratic liberal goverment had more prestige (even more if the Fiume takeover by D'Annunzio is butterflyied away); so in the end if Benny even try a march on Rome the King will be a lot more prone to call is bluff and later deal with the socialists. In the end Italy will be probably political stable like France.
Naturally with Italy getting Dalmatia, a sphere of influence in Turkey, Albania and maybe some colonies bring a series of other problems.
Relationships with Yugoslavia will not be good as now more slavs are in italian territory and a serious policy of italianization will be done. Mantaining the sphere on Turkey mean beat the army of Ataturk and for that a serious alliance with Greece is necessary (and just that can bring a lot of serious and nasty consequences regarding the native population).
Colonies can be a good outlet for many poor and disgruntled so easying the social pressure in the mainland, maybe Cameroon or more probably an expasion of the current italian one, with the cession of some strip of land as OTL during the interwar period.

Edit: the POD can be the death of Luigi Cadorna just before the declaration of war, another general will probably be less prone to use mindless and draconian discipline that really break the moral of the army and soured the soul of a generation, and more importantly let the officer on the front more autonomy and not fire anyone who disagree with him even a little creating a crippling confusion on the officer corps. A better italian performance can shorten the war and give them enough prestige to make the other powers hold on their promise, expecially if President Wilson is not involved.
 
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Essentially what Italy was promised at the Treaty of London but didn't get falls into two regions:

1. Parts of Dalmatia around Zadar (but not Fiume or Split).

2. Parts of Germany's African imperial posessions (not specified) - but only if Britain and France gained colonies from Germany.

Of course Britain and France did gain colonies - they split what is now Cameroon and Togo, and Britain gained Tanganyika, South Africa gained Southwest Africa, and even Belgium and Portgual gained territory in Africa. But Italy got nothing.

In terms of impacts of Versailles fulfilling all the promises made in London in 1915 (there's your POD), I think the most obvious ones would be that either Yugoslavia is never formed, or if it is there is huge tension with Italy over the Dalmatian Coast. Perhaps even a Italian-Yugoslav war like the one Mussolini started in Albania. That probably would have gone badly.

In Africa it would mean that Italy would have another possession that would have been conquered by 1942 or at the latest.
 
If Italy gets Fiume, Dalmatia, Albania and some German colonies, Fascism would probably be born nonetheless, but without the nationalist card to play, they probably would be closer to the first, pseudo-Socialist republican and anticlerical Fascism of 1919 than the later monarchist and clerical Fascism of 1922.
 
If Italy gets Fiume, Dalmatia, Albania and some German colonies, Fascism would probably be born nonetheless, but without the nationalist card to play, they probably would be closer to the first, pseudo-Socialist republican and anticlerical Fascism of 1919 than the later monarchist and clerical Fascism of 1922.

Without the Fiume affair of D'Annunzio, Benny don't have a fondamental inspiration and propaganda tool (plus there isn't the Mutilated Victory thing) to use so taking all in account the movement will be lessened and probably swept away, at least at national level.
The socialist will probably be the force to be reckoned, but with the army still in great part loyal to the King the period of violence, even if massive, will be short and the socialist will be on the losing side.
 
Without the Fiume affair of D'Annunzio, Benny don't have a fondamental inspiration and propaganda tool (plus there isn't the Mutilated Victory thing) to use so taking all in account the movement will be lessened and probably swept away, at least at national level.
The socialist will probably be the force to be reckoned, but with the army still in great part loyal to the King the period of violence, even if massive, will be short and the socialist will be on the losing side.

Still, problems such as unemployment among the former soldiers would remain, and Fascism could so arise even in a world where Italy got everything it asked for (no Cadorna, or no Caporetto defeat). You're right though, Socialism will be huge, and if something akin to Fascism arises, it will have Socialist or pseudo-Socialist influences. Maybe, an unashamedly authoritarian version of Communism*, like the Totalism featured in Kaiserreich.


* Yes i know, Stalin, Mao, etcetera. Still, they didn't claim to be authoritarian, while Kaiserreich's Totalism gleefully does so.
 
Do the Entente simply say the Italians can have the land or is it going to be like how the British took large swathes of land then gave it to the French or how they promise that if they suceeeded in the Gallipoli campaign that they would give the Stairs to Russia?
 
Still, problems such as unemployment among the former soldiers would remain, and Fascism could so arise even in a world where Italy got everything it asked for (no Cadorna, or no Caporetto defeat). You're right though, Socialism will be huge, and if something akin to Fascism arises, it will have Socialist or pseudo-Socialist influences. Maybe, an unashamedly authoritarian version of Communism*, like the Totalism featured in Kaiserreich.


* Yes i know, Stalin, Mao, etcetera. Still, they didn't claim to be authoritarian, while Kaiserreich's Totalism gleefully does so.

The problem with the socialist is that unlike fascism they were heavily divided and without a clear leader, so it's more probable they descend in a sectarian 'civil war' who hamper their effective capacity and credibility; basicallly a simple divide et impera can neutralize them (not that it will be painless or easy but in the end the socialist will make political seppuku)
 
Let's see... Italy gets a chunk of Dalmatia, Istria, and South Tyrol. Yugoslavia is still formed, but sans much of Dalmatia. It gets to snip off the Northern part of Albania off to compensate for the loss of territory to Italy. Greece, meanwhile, gets Albanian Epirus. In (rump) Albania, a Savoy Prince is placed on the throne (can anyone think of a good Prince for that job?).

Italy is given a sphere of influence in Turkey, while Greece annexes Izmir, which both lose after the Treaty of Lausanne (assuming that Ataturk's victory and Lausanne aren't butterflied away). In Africa, Britain gives Italy chunks of Kenya as in OTL, but they also cede British Somaliland, leaving Italy to deal with the "Mad Mullah." France cedes the Azouzu to Italy, as well as a portion of Djibouti. (One idea I was throwing around is that Italy could get a mandate over the Kingdom of Yemen. I wasn't sure if I should include it, since it was never proposed IOTL).

On the political front, Mussolini's war wounds prove fatal, and he dies before he can ever unite the various right-wing nationalist movements into the PNF. Vittorio deals with the right-wingers after they March on Rome, he handles the socialists later. Italy manages to become a semi-stable democracy ala. France. Either that or the army takes over, I dunno. :p
 
What were Portugal's gains? :confused:

The Kionga triangle in now northern Mozambique.

I tend to think that for Italy to gain what it was promised the war would have to end earlier, maybe before the collapse of Russia, and without American entry and thus no 14 Points. It would also help if AH's collapse wasn't total and in consequence an all-encompasing Yugoslavian state wasn't formed.
 
The Kionga triangle in now northern Mozambique.

I tend to think that for Italy to gain what it was promised the war would have to end earlier, maybe before the collapse of Russia, and without American entry and thus no 14 Points. It would also help if AH's collapse wasn't total and in consequence an all-encompasing Yugoslavian state wasn't formed.

A good PoD can be Cadorna being nominated Chief of Staff instead of Alberto Pollio in 1908; this time Cadorna decide for a single time in his life to be diplomatic and shut his mounth regarding the role of the king in the army gerarchy and get the position instead of that 'bourgeous upstart' of Pollio.
Fastforward three years and Cadorna lead the italian army in the war against the Ottoman, things will probably go as OTL, but this time he get the heat for the italian blunder and problem (one of the reason he get the post in OTL was that he was unthouched by any history of military blunder...as the dwarf not partecipated in any conflict before and was basiccaly an armchair general) and knowing his damned characther and his hate for Prime minister Giolitti after the war he will be 'promoted' to other position and basically sent in retirement. Probably Pollio will get the post (he can survive more with less stress) and frankly he can do a better job than Cadorna, hell just diminishing the rate of the offensive (the double of the French front) and think more of the troops morale can acheive more or at least get a lot less deaths.
 

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2. Parts of Germany's African imperial posessions (not specified) - but only if Britain and France gained colonies from Germany.

Of course Britain and France did gain colonies - they split what is now Cameroon and Togo, and Britain gained Tanganyika, South Africa gained Southwest Africa, and even Belgium and Portgual gained territory in Africa. But Italy got nothing.
Well, France and Britain could claim they didn't got colonies, since officially they got League Mandates, not colonies.
 
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