What if Israel air force stock pile drones deal SAM site used them in Octobor war

Jason222

Banned
Let say Israel stock pile Northrop Checker drones used decoy during 1968 until 1973 as way over come USSR SAM sites. My option is made smell different Israel lost few aircraft fly squadrons of Northop Checker drones decoys keep SAM off Israel jet fighter tail. It made big different battle Golan Height in Sinai I still think Egypt able hold lines more or less. Since Israel air force found impossible find and location anti tank soldiers Egypt using.
 

scholar

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Let say Israel stock pile Northrop Checker drones used decoy during 1968 until 1973 as way over come USSR SAM sites. My option is made smell different Israel lost few aircraft fly squadrons of Northop Checker drones decoys keep SAM off Israel jet fighter tail. It made big different battle Golan Height in Sinai I still think Egypt able hold lines more or less. Since Israel air force found impossible find and location anti tank soldiers Egypt using.
You want "after 1900" not before 1900.
 
Israel has no reason to do this in 1973. It had a major issue of thinking it was impossible for Arabs to even fight it fairly at a small-unit level, then.
 

Jason222

Banned
Israel has no reason to do this in 1973. It had a major issue of thinking it was impossible for Arabs to even fight it fairly at a small-unit level, then.
Sorry guy for put it in before 1900. Israel had smell reason little differntly the SAM 3 sites cause Israel to lose some air crafts during the War of Attrition. They never deploy longer number though war of Attrition. I personal think Israel should get the hint then even though Arabs never catch up to them does means welling lost jet fighter pilot needlessly. So Israel leader just smell smarter save few more air force pilots they deploy tantic I am talking about us longer number UAVs to make sure SAM site lock on to them instead jet fighters.
 
Sorry guy for put it in before 1900. Israel had smell reason little differntly the SAM 3 sites cause Israel to lose some air crafts during the War of Attrition. They never deploy longer number though war of Attrition. I personal think Israel should get the hint then even though Arabs never catch up to them does means welling lost jet fighter pilot needlessly. So Israel leader just smell smarter save few more air force pilots they deploy tantic I am talking about us longer number UAVs to make sure SAM site lock on to them instead jet fighters.

Dude I kinda understand what you are saying, but no offence proofread your work I can barely understand what you are write or implying.
 

Jason222

Banned
If Israel build UAV fleet better able handle SAM site by time October War 1973 came along because losing Israel face came to jet fighter during the War of Attrition. I think Israel done lot better during October war 1973.
 
Sorry guy for put it in before 1900. Israel had smell reason little differntly the SAM 3 sites cause Israel to lose some air crafts during the War of Attrition. They never deploy longer number though war of Attrition. I personal think Israel should get the hint then even though Arabs never catch up to them does means welling lost jet fighter pilot needlessly. So Israel leader just smell smarter save few more air force pilots they deploy tantic I am talking about us longer number UAVs to make sure SAM site lock on to them instead jet fighters.

That would require Israel have a reason to believe Arabs might actually do something to it on the battlefield first and foremost.
 
Israel did notice during the War of Attrition that Arab air defences were getting tougher and tougher. But they did have a plan in place for a pre-emptive strike on these SAMs etc which probably would have done much to limit the damage. However in the event Gold Mier ordered just before the war that Israel must absorb the first blow in order to keep international opinion neutral or on Israel`s side. The losses to SAMs was the blow Israel had to absorb.

Perhaps if the IAF had known a year or two in advance that they would have to absorb the first blow they might have stocked up on drones to help with the SEAD mission, but at the time it was against their planning and doctrine. They certainly did it in 1982 against Syrian IADS in the Beekaa Valley.
 
Israel did notice during the War of Attrition that Arab air defences were getting tougher and tougher. But they did have a plan in place for a pre-emptive strike on these SAMs etc which probably would have done much to limit the damage. However in the event Gold Mier ordered just before the war that Israel must absorb the first blow in order to keep international opinion neutral or on Israel`s side. The losses to SAMs was the blow Israel had to absorb.

Perhaps if the IAF had known a year or two in advance that they would have to absorb the first blow they might have stocked up on drones to help with the SEAD mission, but at the time it was against their planning and doctrine. They certainly did it in 1982 against Syrian IADS in the Beekaa Valley.

According to statements made before and during the war, the Israelis didn't think Arabs could use advanced technology in a fashion that actually hurt them and it was politically impolitic for the Israelis to admit missiles could rip through their air force in a significantly damaging fashion even when admitting this would have been militarily wise.
 

Jason222

Banned
In practice Israel pilot amount Israel must elite. Israel air force save many Israel lives during Six day war. Even if Israel did not think Arab state armies ever be match for Israel. Their something call bleeding Israel to death. Simple get more advance SAM slow eat way Israel air force.
 
In practice Israel pilot amount Israel must elite. Israel air force save many Israel lives during Six day war. Even if Israel did not think Arab state armies ever be match for Israel. Their something call bleeding Israel to death. Simple get more advance SAM slow eat way Israel air force.

Except that this is obvious in hindsight but not to post-1967, pre-1973 Israel that believes Damascus is only an hour's drive away.
 

Jason222

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Except that this is obvious in hindsight but not to post-1967, pre-1973 Israel that believes Damascus is only an hour's drive away.
Israel may have view Damascus only hour drive away but not Cairo. In practice Egypt much bigger threat then Syria. Part reason Syria no longer goes war against Israel simple be no match. Egypt other hand able go war Israel and fight the War of Attrition. Another long war that cost Israel many pilots. Even risk real invasion Egypt army smell fear lost longer number pilots should been reason alone devote resource to unmanned aircafts keep Sam missile off Israel jet fighter backs.
 
Israel may have view Damascus only hour drive away but not Cairo. In practice Egypt much bigger threat then Syria. Part reason Syria no longer goes war against Israel simple be no match. Egypt other hand able go war Israel and fight the War of Attrition. Another long war that cost Israel many pilots. Even risk real invasion Egypt army smell fear lost longer number pilots should been reason alone devote resource to unmanned aircafts keep Sam missile off Israel jet fighter backs.

Not in the view of the Israelis of this time. Israel's problem was good ol' hubris.
 
There was a fair bit of hubris, but quite a lot of assumptions were made between 1967 and 73 that didn`t pan out in the end. One was that tanks could operate on their own, which had the added bonus in that it saved money on infantry and their APCs. Another was that the IAF would be able to conduct a pre-emptive strike against te Arab IADS, which was canned for political reasons.

I think that if the IAF had known or strongly suspected that it might not be able to initiate pre-emptive strikes then it would have come up with a plan that would have dealt with the circumstances better.
 

Jason222

Banned
There was a fair bit of hubris, but quite a lot of assumptions were made between 1967 and 73 that didn`t pan out in the end. One was that tanks could operate on their own, which had the added bonus in that it saved money on infantry and their APCs. Another was that the IAF would be able to conduct a pre-emptive strike against te Arab IADS, which was canned for political reasons.

I think that if the IAF had known or strongly suspected that it might not be able to initiate pre-emptive strikes then it would have come up with a plan that would have dealt with the circumstances better.
Tanks go did Israel little good if Egypt fire artillery across the Sinai canal and us SAM sites to protect them air strike. That was what Egyptian was trying to do during the War of Attrition. Israel paying 10 aircraft pilot in Yom kipper war Israel lost 53 airmen. War of Attrition Israel lost one Phantom. So Israel taking lose aircraft SAM sites. Tanks and navy was not used lot. Single Phantom by way cost something like million dollars at the time may sound lot to day money but great deal back then. Lose few drone lot cheaper losing single Phantom. Sam sites going more advance Israel also see that realist factor.
 
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