What if Hitler start to support the KKK in 1930s?

What if the Nazi government get the idea, that in order to keep the U.S. out of the war it starts to infiltrate the KKK in the South in the late 1930s? And get them to start a campaign of insurgency against the federal government in the South? This uprising keeps the US out of the war until mid 1942, and the U.S. witness treason trials resulting in high-level clan leaders (including officials and elites from the South sentenced to death for treason. Pearl Harbour stills happens, and the U.S. enters into Europe in 1943 instead of 1942. History still goes as planned however, and Hitler kills himself in Berlin in january 1946, and Japan is defeated in April 1946 do to atomic bombs being dropped on the country.

Only difference between this and OTL is that there is a military presence in the southern states like Arkansas, Mississippi and Tennessee. And now the whole movement is tarnished by the clan being traitors to the nation. How could that effect Jim Crow and parts of Southern US?
 
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There was hardly any Klan for the Nazis to infiltrate by the late 1930's. "In 1939, after experiencing several years of decline due to the Great Depression, the Imperial Wizard Hiram Wesley Evans sold the national organization to James A. Colescott, an Indiana veterinary physician, and Samuel Green, an Atlanta obstetrician. They could not revive the Klan's declining membership. In 1944, the Internal Revenue Service filed a lien for $685,000 in back taxes against the Klan, and Colescott dissolved the organization that year. Local Klan groups closed down over the following years.[166]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan#Resistance_and_decline

And what is a "campaign of insurance"? If you mean insurrection, even the Klansmen are not dumb enough to think that could succeed.
 
There was hardly any Klan for the Nazis to infiltrate by the late 1930's. "In 1939, after experiencing several years of decline due to the Great Depression, the Imperial Wizard Hiram Wesley Evans sold the national organization to James A. Colescott, an Indiana veterinary physician, and Samuel Green, an Atlanta obstetrician. They could not revive the Klan's declining membership. In 1944, the Internal Revenue Service filed a lien for $685,000 in back taxes against the Klan, and Colescott dissolved the organization that year. Local Klan groups closed down over the following years.[166]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan#Resistance_and_decline

And what is a "campaign of insurance"? If you mean insurrection, even the Klansmen are not dumb enough to think that could succeed.

Insurgency, I’m guessing.
 
Thing is, I’m pretty sure the Klan hated the Nazis too. So infiltrating it to that level would be very difficult and Nazi Germany didn’t have the greatest intelligence abilities.
 
The only thing that I suspect Germany could do is try to filter money to various racist groups--the Klan had Jews on their list as well as others. I don't know if an infusion of money, and deniable weapons, would be enough to get the Klan more active. (Weapons would have to be pretty heavy duty, considering what was already floating around.)

If they got caught, it could backfire on Germany, and better yet, get a lot of Klansmen stood against the wall or taking a short drop with a sudden stop.
 
It would be senseless for Hitler to throw German resources into support for a fringe movement like the Klan of the late 1930's--let alone to endorse obviously futile and suicidal violence by such a movement, which when German involvement was discovered would simply make US war against Germany more likely. He wanted to get existing governments and major parties to adopt Germany-friendly policies. Discreet cultivation of isolationist Republicans and Democrats was one thing; backing the Klan, let alone insurrection, was another. Even in the case of German-Americans, the regime eventually tried to distance itself from the German American Bund:

"Kuhn and a few other Bundmen traveled to Berlin to attend the 1936 Summer Olympics. During the trip, he visited the Reich Chancellery, where his picture was taken with Hitler.[6] This act did not constitute an official Nazi approval for Kuhn's organization: German Ambassador to the United States Hans-Heinrich Dieckhoff expressed his disapproval and concern over the group to Berlin, causing distrust between the Bund and the Nazi regime.[6] The organization received no financial or verbal support from Germany. In response to the outrage of Jewish war veterans, Congress in 1938 passed the Foreign Agents Registration Act requiring foreign agents to register with the State Department. On March 1, 1938, the Nazi government decreed that no Reichsdeutsche [German nationals] could be a member of the Bund, and that no Nazi emblems were to be used by the organization.[6] This was done both to appease the U.S. and to distance Germany from the Bund, which was increasingly a cause of embarrassment with its rhetoric and actions.[6]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American_Bund

Indeed, even in nations where Nazi-like movements were far stronger than in the US, and where Hitler was in a position to help them, he preferred to work with existing pro-German "conservative" governments, putting Realpolitik over ideology. As John Lukacs notes in The Hitler of History:

"All over Europe (for example, in Holland, Denmark, France, Romania, and in a few remarkable instances even in Austria), local National Socialist leaders were abashed when they found that Hitler did not support them and paid them hardly any interest at all. He preferred to work with the established pro-German governments of such provinces and states. The most telling example of this occurred in Romania in January 1941. There the National Socialist and populist Iron Guard (whose anti-Semitic ideology and practices were perhaps the most fanatic and radical in all Europe) got into conflict with the nationalist and military government of General Antonescu, whom Hitler respected and liked. When in January 1941 fighting broke out between the Antonescu and Iron Guard forces, the Germans unequivocally supported the former at the expense of the latter, on occasion with German armor and tanks.

"Of course he had his reasons. While the war lasted, he needed order in the countries that were his allies or satellites--a kind of stability that must not be endangered by revolutionary experiments, and that assured undisrupted deliveries of necessary material supplies to the Reich. Thus he put up for a long time with allied chiefs of state—a Petain, an Antonescu, Regent Horthy of Hungary, King Boris of Bulgaria—some of whom he knew were not wholly loyal or unconditional adherents of a National Socialist Germany. Still, it is significant that he did not offer the slightest promise or give the slightest indication to the effect that sooner or later, perhaps after the war, his foreign National Socialist followers would get their rewards.* [FN] He would, of course, recognize and support some of them in 1944, when his former satellites or junior parmers deserted him; but that was no longer important." https://books.google.com/books?id=oRwJs6qCMvIC&pg=PA162#
 
What if the Nazi government get the idea, that in order to keep the U.S. out of the war it starts to infiltrate the KKK in the South in the late 1930s? And get them to start a campaign of insurgency against the federal government in the South? This uprising keeps the US out of the war until mid 1942, and the U.S. witness treason trials resulting in high-level clan leaders (including officials and elites from the South sentenced to death for treason. Pearl Harbour stills happens, and the U.S. enters into Europe in 1943 instead of 1942. History still goes as planned however, and Hitler kills himself in Berlin in january 1946, and Japan is defeated in April 1946 do to atomic bombs being dropped on the country.

Only difference between this and OTL is that there is a military presence in the southern states like Arkansas, Mississippi and Tennessee. And now the whole movement is tarnished by the clan being traitors to the nation. How could that effect Jim Crow and parts of Southern US?
The German American Bund was more important for Nazis ?
 
The Klan was anti-Catholic as well, so that wouldn't go over well with the core Nazi leadership.
 
The Klan was anti-Catholic as well, so that wouldn't go over well with the core Nazi leadership.

Actually, it would. Hitler hated the Catholic Church. It's true that he often toned that down in public, in order to get support from Catholics but, in private, he stated his anti-Catholic views.
 
The klan of that tine were not just anti black and anti Semitic in their hate list. They also had a strong anti alcohol sentiment, which meant that the German Americans were among their primary targets.
 
If Hitler would support the KKK in 1930s
once he declare War on US of A in WW2, it's Game over for KKK.
because the FBI and every patriotic US citizen with a gun would hunting them.
once Capitol Hill declare them outlawed traitors and the fifth column of Hitler...
 
The klan of that tine were not just anti black and anti Semitic in their hate list. They also had a strong anti alcohol sentiment, which meant that the German Americans were among their primary targets.

The Klan leaders that revived it in 1915 considered the 'Negro Problem' solved. they were concerned with all the other non WASP groups that were contaminating the US with un American ideas. The Klan supported both the anti German sentiments of the Great War, and Prohibition. That the US Germans loved their Bier and loved their Gasthaus, made them a double target. Wine swilling French and Italians who smelled like Garlic and Onions were equally targets. And then there were all those Catholics, Chinese, Japanese, Mexicans, Greeks, Poles, Turks, Russians, and Goddamitt any one else that was not 100% American. Even Irish need not apply to the revived Klan.

The problem here is obvious. The Klan was excluding more than half the population of the US. After every suspect group was excluded the Klan qualified were a clear minority in many communities. As the Klan fragmented some leaders tried to reconcile with the Catholics & other groups. It was a bit late and the membership imploded as fast as it grew 1915-1923. The continued existence of the Klan seemed to depend on local power brokers who used Klaverns to distract second tier local white leaders and fragment the middle and working classes. "We whould not want the Crackars & Nighars to discova they hav mhore in common than differences. Rhat? Hav anotha bourbon? " It worked in northern communities just as well as in the south.
 
To some extent the Klan shifted its emphasis in the mid-1930's from its traditional racial and religious enemies to anti-Communism and opposition to the CIO. This change did not please all Klansmen--many resented Imperial Wizard Hiram Evans's assertion that the Klan was no longer anti-Catholic and forced him out. https://books.google.com/books?id=fhcnmDIQOW8C&pg=PA79 But the Klan, whether anti-Catholic or not, was hardly worth Germany's money, and the idea that they could have kept the US government busy with an "insurgency" is absurd.
 
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