What If hitler had kids?

Just to be clear:

Maybe they would have done, but, my point was, its just as likely if not more likely that they wouldn't have done.

I never said they didn't. I just don't like the automatic assumption that it definitely would have happened.

A lot of Wallied soldiers committed rape in the West, although nowhere near the scale of the Soviets in the East, but if this was a thread about whether the Wallies had captured Hitler's young children I don't think there would be an automatic assumption that those children would be raped and murdered.

There was a lot of awful cruelty inflicted by Soviet soldiers. But not every soldier was a rapist or murderer.
 

tristanjay

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Just to be clear:



I never said they didn't. I just don't like the automatic assumption that it definitely would have happened.

A lot of Wallied soldiers committed rape in the West, although nowhere near the scale of the Soviets in the East, but if this was a thread about whether the Wallies had captured Hitler's young children I don't think there would be an automatic assumption that those children would be raped and murdered.

There was a lot of awful cruelty inflicted by Soviet soldiers. But not every soldier was a rapist or murderer.

Maybe not every, but a horrifically large number if not a majority.


Bolshevik terror was systematic, western terror was opportunistic and incidental.
 

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Just to be clear:



I never said they didn't. I just don't like the automatic assumption that it definitely would have happened.

A lot of Wallied soldiers committed rape in the West, although nowhere near the scale of the Soviets in the East, but if this was a thread about whether the Wallies had captured Hitler's young children I don't think there would be an automatic assumption that those children would be raped and murdered.

There was a lot of awful cruelty inflicted by Soviet soldiers. But not every soldier was a rapist or murderer.

Given that the Wallies didn't have a track record of horrific cruelty and was only a few degrees less bad than the Nazis its FAR less likely that they would massacre children, because they didn't have repeated examples of doing so (except in specific circumstances where they didn't mean to like the bombing of cities). The Soviets have a huge records of mass slaughters and rapes of civilians, as well as a lot of verified examples of torture and other brutality against everyone they conquered, not just the Germans. There are first person accounts of Auschwitz survivors being raped on liberation by Red Army soldiers. Even supposed allies of the Soviets like the Poles were raped and murdered by the Red Army before the NKVD got there and systematized the brutality. Beyond that the women that were kept by Hitler as food tasters in his Wolf's Lair in East Prussia were all raped and murdered by frontline soldiers as the base was overrun except for one that fled:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-the-horrors-of-the-wolf-s-lair-9738880.html
Berlin capitulated to the Russian army in May 1945. But the horror of the war did not end for Margot Wölk. “We tried to dress up as old women, but the Russians came for me and the other girls all the same,” she recalled in the programme. “They cut open our dresses and dragged us into a doctor’s flat. We were held there and raped for 14 days. It was hell on earth. The nightmare never goes away.”
Ms Wölk was left unable to bear children.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/26/margot-woelk-hitlers-food-taster_n_3163447.html
With the Soviet army on the offensive and the war going badly for Germany, one of her SS friends advised her to leave the Wolf's Lair.
She said she returned by train to Berlin and went into hiding.
Woelk said the other women on the food tasting team decided to remain in Rastenburg since their families were all there and it was their home.
"Later, I found out that the Russians shot all of the 14 other girls," she said. It was after Soviet troops overran the headquarters in January 1945.
 

tristanjay

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Given that the Wallies didn't have a track record of horrific cruelty and was only a few degrees less bad than the Nazis its FAR less likely that they would massacre children, because they didn't have repeated examples of doing so (except in specific circumstances where they didn't mean to like the bombing of cities). The Soviets have a huge records of mass slaughters and rapes of civilians, as well as a lot of verified examples of torture and other brutality against everyone they conquered, not just the Germans. There are first person accounts of Auschwitz survivors being raped on liberation by Red Army soldiers. Even supposed allies of the Soviets like the Poles were raped and murdered by the Red Army before the NKVD got there and systematized the brutality. Beyond that the women that were kept by Hitler as food tasters in his Wolf's Lair in East Prussia were all raped and murdered by frontline soldiers as the base was overrun except for one that fled:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-the-horrors-of-the-wolf-s-lair-9738880.html


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/26/margot-woelk-hitlers-food-taster_n_3163447.html

So hitler genocides and starves them and then Bolshevik troops rape the half dead skeletons that managed to scrape by as a holocaust survivors.

You know, I used to read anne Franks diary with a feeling of remorse but now maybe I don't feel so bad knowing that she didn't have to live through being raped by the leftist hordes.
 
Seriously people?

Adolf is not going to put his children any where near danger
The children won't become members of the Nazi party until they are 18, which would mean that Adolf needs a child by at least 1927 when he us 38.
The children, would have been mainly used in Nazi Youth Propoganda. Thy will shared their father's strong*German nationalist*beliefs, but will be shielded against any knowledge of war plans, war crimes and the Holocaust.

I can see the child/children staying with Hitler's full sister, Paula, nearer to the end of the war, until when the closing days of the war, was evidential, the children and Auntie Paula will be driven to*Berchtesgaden, Germany.

They will then be handed over to either British or US Ambassadors or intelligence officers May 1945. Handing them over to Western Allies, saves then from being killed as civilian casualties or captured by the Soviet forces.

It'll be hard for the children to believer that their father had been responsible for*the Holocaust.

They will most likely live in obscurity under fake name same as OTL when instead of Hitler she was Paula Wolff. During this time, they will live as a family looked after by former members of the*SS*and survivors of Adolf's inner circle.

Like Paula did in February 1959, I could see the children beung interviewed in a documentary for*British*television station.
 

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Seriously people?

Adolf is not going to put his children any where near danger
The children won't become members of the Nazi party until they are 18, which would mean that Adolf needs a child by at least 1927 when he us 38.
The children, would have been mainly used in Nazi Youth Propoganda. Thy will shared their father's strong*German nationalist*beliefs, but will be shielded against any knowledge of war plans, war crimes and the Holocaust.

I can see the child/children staying with Hitler's full sister, Paula, nearer to the end of the war, until when the closing days of the war, was evidential, the children and Auntie Paula will be driven to*Berchtesgaden, Germany.

They will then be handed over to either British or US Ambassadors or intelligence officers May 1945. Handing them over to Western Allies, saves then from being killed as civilian casualties or captured by the Soviet forces.

It'll be hard for the children to believer that their father had been responsible for*the Holocaust.

They will most likely live in obscurity under fake name same as OTL when instead of Hitler she was Paula Wolff. During this time, they will live as a family looked after by former members of the*SS*and survivors of Adolf's inner circle.

Like Paula did in February 1959, I could see the children beung interviewed in a documentary for*British*television station.

Most likely they would be killed like the Goebbels children. Hitler was afraid of what would happen to him upon and after capture, he would certainly have that for his kids. His wife did commit suicide with him too and knowing his ideology there wasn't life after defeat, so death was the only option for him and his family, much as it was for so much of Hitler's inner circle.
 

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Tell that to Ukrainians and Jews who suffered under Stalin's reign of terror. The Nazis were a terrifying lot, and the Soviets would've absolutely repaid crime for crime and any children would've been gang butchered by the rampaging hordes of Soviet soldiers. The only thing on Stalin's mind was blood. Can't say I blame him too much.

Yes, yes they were monsters actually, that's what people who knowingly kill tens of millions of their fellow countrymen are.

The Soviets leadership was amoral, it was also very politically astute.

What would happen to any children would very much depend on their age and on who captured them, assuming they survived (I tend to agree that they would be killed by their family).

If they are very young, they will be raised to despise their parents, regardless of where they end up. Hitler's nephew changed his name after the war, he was in the USN as a corpsman during the war and received a Purple Heart). None of his sons have children, although one of them has said that there was no "pact" to allow the bloodline to die out (there were four of them, all married, ZERO kids, draw your own conclusions). It is something of an open question of the U.S. would turn any children over to their cousin or if they would be adopted outside of the family. I can see Stalin putting them with a a couple high Party members to be raised as dedicated Party members without ever letting them know who their parents were.

If they are older, up to around 12 years old, it gets somewhat more difficult. The WAllies wouldn't intentionally deprogram them to actually hate their parents, but de-Nazification would be a given. Their life would be a bitch, with all the neo-Nazi groups chasing them to "reestablish the Reich". It wouldn't be a shock if they wound up voluntarily in something like Witness Protection just to get away from the loonies. The Soviets would likely "disappear" them, probably into internal exile under constant NKVD/KGB surveillance.

Teenagers is where it gets REALLY dodgy. They would be thoroughly indoctrinated by the Nazis (although that doesn't always work, Stalin's daughter as an example) which could present on-going problem in the West. In the East, there is the Gulag (this is also where any daughters are in serious threat of rape, by Beria and/or other members of the NKVD), 10 years in a strict regime camp, assuming they survive, would break them like a reed, after that internal exile, maybe with highly scripted appearances during Victory Day celebrations.
 
"Maybe not every, but a horrifically large number if not a majority."

Source?

"Bolshevik terror was systematic, western terror was opportunistic and incidental."

Souce?
 
Some possible outcomes

If they were children and are trapped in the bunker, there is no chance of survival, Hitler would just poison them like he did with Blondie and Goebbels did to his children

if they are kids, but for some reason are separated from the nazi high command, for example, if they were in Frankfurt at main and due the allied bombing or any other reason, there is a good chance for them being captured by the allies (I really doubt that some Wehrmacht or SS soldier responsible for guarding the children would be insane enought to kill them)

If they were adults, they problably would have been indocrinated by Hitler enought to kill themselves,

I'm awfully sorry for the bad state of my english, it is not my native language
 
I personally think that the Soviets will quietly hand them over to the WAllies. then they will claim that they never had custody over them and state that they were brought over by Nazis in the Final Days. The Soviets would then use this as "proof" that "all the Nazis had fled to W. Germany," just as they claimed in OTL.
 
Most likely they would be killed like the Goebbels children. Hitler was afraid of what would happen to him upon and after capture, he would certainly have that for his kids. His wife did commit suicide with him too and knowing his ideology there wasn't life after defeat, so death was the only option for him and his family, much as it was for so much of Hitler's inner circle.

Joseph Goebbels, was a weak man, if you take into consideration other Prominet Nazi Children:
- Gudrun Burwitz, born Gudrun Himmler in 8 August 1929, the daughter of Heinrich Himmler, was arrested and made to testify at the Nuremberg trials, after her fathers suicide. Having never renounced Nazi ideology, she has consistently fought to defend her father’s reputation, and has become closely involved in Neo-Nazi groups that give support to ex-members of the SS. She married Wulf Dieter Burwitz, an official of the far-right NPD.


- Edda Göring, born 2 June 1938, was the only child of Hermann Göring. In the final stages of the war, she and her mother moved to their mountain home at Obersalzberg near Berchtesgaden. After the war, she went to a girls-only school, earned a degree from Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich and became a law clerk.

- Albert Speer, Jr., born 29 July 1934, the son of Albert Speer, who was Adolf Hitler's chief architect, is himself an architect and urban planner.

- Martin Adolf Bormann, the eldest of the ten children of Martin Bormann and a godson of Adolf Hitler, became an ordained Roman Catholic priest and worked in Africa as a missionary.

- Rudolf von Ribbentrop born 11 May 1921, a former Waffen-SS Captain who served in World War II was the son of the Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop.
In the 1950s, Rudolf was involved in a legal battle with his cousin Otto Henkell over the control of the family firm, the wine producer Henkell & Co., and eventually became a partner in the firm. His brother Adolf Henkell-von Ribbentrop also joined the firm's partnership, and is the stepfather of former defence minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg. In 2008, Rudolf published a biography of his father.

- Wolf Rüdiger Hess, 18 November 1937, the son of Deputy Führer, Rudolf Hess. He went on to have three children.

- Niklas Frank, born 9 March 1939, Hans Frank, the Nazi lawyer who became Governor-General of occupied Poland, is an author and journalist.

- Ernest Kaltenbrunner, Chief of the Reich Main Security Office and President of the ICPC, had three children, with wife and fellow party member, Elisabeth Eder
In addition to the children from his marriage, Kaltenbrunner had twins, Ursula and Wolfgang, (b. 1945) with his long-time mistress Gisela Gräfin von Westarp. All the children survived the war but the rest of their lives are unknown.

- Alfred Rosenberg, the head of the German Working Party, before Hitler joined had a son who died in infancy and a daughter, Irene, who was born in 1930, she has refused contact with anyone seeking information about her father.

- SS-Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich, had four children, Klaus Heydrich (June 17, 1933-1943) Heider Heydrich (born December 23, 1934) Silke Heydrich (born April 9, 1939) Marte Heydrich (born July 23, 1942) Apart from Klaus who died on October 24, 1943; bike-traffic accident, the rest of their lives are unknown
 
If Hitler had children I think it would go one of two ways:

*If they were young they would be a tragic footnote like the Goebbels's children IOTL. Poisoned in the Fuhrer Bunker in 1945 as the Soviets closed in.

*If they were adults the chances are they would either have died in the Bunker with their father or joined one of the attempted escapes from Berlin in May 1945 either dying and being found days later or escaping into captivity in the West most likely.

Or Hitler will give the children to Hanna Reitsch.
 
The Soviets would not kill any Hitler kids. They would keep them around to keep the spectre of a revived Nazi movement alive in central Europe as a justification for whatever harsh measures the Soviets wanted to use.

IIRC, Hitler was found to have only one testicle and might've suffered other diseases earlier in life (including a venereal disease he supposedly caught from a Jewish prostitute) that rendered him sterile
 
Legitimate children vs illegitimate children

If Hitler has legitimate kids for example he married Eva Braun before the war and she bore him children or it was some other woman then that child or children will be world famous. They will be the most photographed children in the third reich. When the Russians reach Berlin they will be on a NKVD hit list. I agree with others on this thread who say they are killed by their parents.

If not killed in the bunker here is something to remember: in 1918 the communists did kill the Czar and his family. So I think there is precedent to make Hitler's family go away
Now let's say that Eva Braun became pregnant during her years as Hitler's mistress. Hitler doesn't have to claim his kid. Something else to remember in this scenario is that no one knew about Eva Braun outside of Hitler's inner circle. So Hitler's child could remain unknown. No home movies of the Fuhrer holding his baby allowed. After the war the kid could remain obscure maybe popping up in a history channel documentary.
 
yes, Hitler would had give his kids cyanid in Bunker before he killed him self

But there little twist on story
There are claims that Hitler had a illegitimate son, from liaison with french women during WW1, Jean-Marie Loret.
 

Perkeo

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It doesn't take a monster to be tempted to kill those kids. They will be regarded as some kind of new hope by any surviving Nazis and ther followers. All war parties have commited worse crimes.

However, I don't buy the rape/"tear them apart like wolves"- theory. The kids might have a tragic accident/illness of some sort, but no one would be proud to make such orders let alone publically admit it.
 
Almost certainly they would have died with their parents (Adolf and Eva) in the bunker. I don't see Hitler wanting his children to be left at the mercy of mongrel peoples like Americans and Soviets in a world dominated by evil Jews...which is pretty much what Nazis believed they were "saving" Germans and other western Europeans from.

agree, they would have been forced to commit suicide like the children of other nazi leaders in the bunker.
 
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