What if Germany would of stopped in 1941?

What if Germany would of stopped in 1941?


What if Germany would not invaded Russia in 1941 and if the Germans broke their pack with Japan after the attack on Pearl harbor. Germany would have been at war with only one major power, England.


I know it is a crazy ideal that Hitler would have stopped but lets say the Generals some how talked him out of invading Russia and explain to him that America was a production power house. So Hitler says “Ok, lets hold on to what we got.”


Germany had all of Europe and could of adopted a come get me attitude with the English in Europe. Germany had the Romanian oil fields and Russia was willing to sale the Germans any raw materials they could want.


The English failed at Dieppe, and there no way England could fight a war in north Africa and mass for a invasion of mainland Europe at the same time. English tanks were never a match for the Germans, not until 1944 did the first prototype Comet come out with a gun that could defect German armor.


Bomber command was pretty much there only weapon against the Germans.


So what do you think the out come would be, if Germany just set on their butts and worked on “wonder weapons” waiting on the English?
 

Wolfpaw

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I think you may very well see a plausible variant of a certain sea mammal planned and carried out. What with Soviet raw materials and no distraction (or planned distraction) to the east, the Germans might just be able to pull it off.

*Sits back and waits for the firestorm of abuse for daring to mention the dreaded sea mammal*
 
Operation Whale? How interesting, but very unlikely. Nazi Germany supporting the IRA would add an interesting dynamic to the post-war years however...



I would be more interested though in a joint early attack on the Soviet Union by Japan and Germany for raw materials.
 
If the Germans did actually scrap Barbarossa and didn't declare war upon the US, then:

1. They had a fair chance of allocating all available resources to grab Egypt by mid 1942.

2. The US may not declare war upon Germany, since Germany would be much stronger now and the Allies may suspect a German-Soviet alliance.


The problem is that the Germans wanted to invade the Soviet Union all along.
Defeating the Soviets and grabbing "Lebensraum" was the ideology driving the war all along.
So, in order for the Germans to stop you would need a very different Hitler.
 
This is implausible as the entire point of the War was attacking the Soviet Union eventually however this is still a very bad idea.

1) The US will go to war with Germany eventually unless they restrict submarine warfare.

2) Malta can't fall so the Axis are still screwed in Africa in the long run.

3) By 1943 the Soviets will be ready to launch their own strike, do you think they'll keep sending raw materials after their ready to defend themselves?
 

JJohnson

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The phrase is "would have stopped" not "Would OF stopped." The word "of" is a preposition, not a verb. You cannot "of" someone, and you cannot have "of"-ed. Also it's pact with a T, not "pack." Just FYI.

Can you "between" someone, or "among" someone? Same thing with "of."
 
The phrase is "would have stopped" not "Would OF stopped." The word "of" is a preposition, not a verb. You cannot "of" someone, and you cannot have "of"-ed. Also it's pact with a T, not "pack." Just FYI.

Can you "between" someone, or "among" someone? Same thing with "of."

Kill it Before it spreads . Go grade your parents writeing and leave board members alone .
 

Anaxagoras

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The phrase is "would have stopped" not "Would OF stopped." The word "of" is a preposition, not a verb. You cannot "of" someone, and you cannot have "of"-ed. Also it's pact with a T, not "pack." Just FYI.

Can you "between" someone, or "among" someone? Same thing with "of."

JJohnson, I salute you.

Of course, it would have been better had it just been "What if Germany Stopped in 1941?"
 

Anaxagoras

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In such a scenario as this, American aid would have continued to flood into Britain and the Soviets would have eventually attacked the Nazis themselves, as they would have recognized the foolishness of waiting until the defeat of Britain would have allowed the Germans to turn all their strength against them.

Besides, I can't think of a single example of Hitler's generals persuading him to change his mind about a single major geopolitical or grand strategic decision. To get sucha POD, you have to completely change Hitler's personality, which very likely means no Nazi Germany at all.
 
I think you may very well see a plausible variant of a certain sea mammal planned and carried out. What with Soviet raw materials and no distraction (or planned distraction) to the east, the Germans might just be able to pull it off.

*Sits back and waits for the firestorm of abuse for daring to mention the dreaded sea mammal*


Sea mammal... you mean Sea Otter?
 
Besides, I can't think of a single example of Hitler's generals persuading him to change his mind about a single major geopolitical or grand strategic decision. To get sucha POD, you have to completely change Hitler's personality, which very likely means no Nazi Germany at all.

Not to mention rewriting a rather significant chunk of Nazi political and racial ideology.
 
JJohnson, I salute you.

Of course, it would have been better had it just been "What if Germany Stopped in 1941?"


Seriously I have to side with JJohnson. I know there are non-English natives who sometimes type idiosyncratic sentences, but this clearly isn't the case. I would hope that the native speakers in this forum can all generally write with grammar better than the Alternative Ed 8th graders I teach every day.
 
As others have already pointed out, this requires Hitler not being Hitler, so it won't fly as long as he's running things. POD solutions: 1) a coup d'etat which puts someone sane in charge; 2) the Nazis were never in control in the first place and Germany has been run by one of the other conservative/militarist factions since the 1930s. Personally I prefer the latter option, but YMMV.
 
The phrase is "would have stopped" not "Would OF stopped." The word "of" is a preposition, not a verb. You cannot "of" someone, and you cannot have "of"-ed. Also it's pact with a T, not "pack." Just FYI.

Can you "between" someone, or "among" someone? Same thing with "of."


I am sorry my grammar not up to the standards of this forum.
 

CalBear

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Depends on what you mean by stop. If you are talking dead stop, no more aggressive moves anywhere, withdrawing from Africa (which was a damned stupid place to be in the first place) after the relief of Tobruk in late November of 1941, letting the Italians stand or fall on their own hook, end the U-Boat Campaign and offer to end the air war if the RAF stopped attacking the Reich the answer is very different than if it is a continued Battle of the Atlantic and ongoing BoB.

If it is an actual full stop as outlined above, the U.S. will not get into a war with the Nazi's since there would be no cause belli left (it is an open question when the U.S. would have gone to war with Germany IOTL if Hitler hadn't picked the fight with his DoA).

The UK would be really in a bad position since it would quickly become the "bad guy" in American papers if the Germans pulled in their horns and said all the right words (remember the Einsatzgruppen are not even a real rumor yet outside of Poland, even the Final Solution planning had barely begun). How many British would want to send their boys to die in France if there were no sinkings and the air raids were only in response to RAF raids, something that the Reich is sure to play up? How long would it take for people in London or York to say "enough"?

That also means the U.S. (and probably the UK) puts 100% into crushing the Japanese. Given the reality that the Pacific War was entirely dependent on ship building, Japan won't get crushed as quickly as some might imagine, but the Pacific War probably ends six months to a year earlier.

Sometime in mid-1944 or mid-1945 the Soviets, their army fully rebuilt and re-equipped goes after the Reich.

Now THAT would be interesting. Fascists vs. Reds. What do the Western democracies do?

Sell weapons to both sides?

Get a comfy chair and pop some corn to snack on and watch the two bad guys kick the snot out of each other?

Get involved? On which side?


What if Germany would of stopped in 1941?


What if Germany would not invaded Russia in 1941 and if the Germans broke their pack with Japan after the attack on Pearl harbor. Germany would have been at war with only one major power, England.


I know it is a crazy ideal that Hitler would have stopped but lets say the Generals some how talked him out of invading Russia and explain to him that America was a production power house. So Hitler says “Ok, lets hold on to what we got.”


Germany had all of Europe and could of adopted a come get me attitude with the English in Europe. Germany had the Romanian oil fields and Russia was willing to sale the Germans any raw materials they could want.


The English failed at Dieppe, and there no way England could fight a war in north Africa and mass for a invasion of mainland Europe at the same time. English tanks were never a match for the Germans, not until 1944 did the first prototype Comet come out with a gun that could defect German armor.


Bomber command was pretty much there only weapon against the Germans.


So what do you think the out come would be, if Germany just set on their butts and worked on “wonder weapons” waiting on the English?
 
The people to watch given a full stop to Nazi Germany would be the Soviets.

They would be building up non-stop in the west. They viewed the molotov-ribbentrop pact as a peace preluding to inevitable war.

If they really feel secure in the west (because Germany would be shifting forces elsewhere) they might go to war with Japan early. Which would be piece of cake for them. The Nomonhan incident proved the Japanese couldn't stand up to the Soviets successfully. And by 1941 the japanese were overstretched.

When the Soviets had finished wiping the Japanese off of mainland Asia, they would likely strike the Nazis with fully mobilized forces. The Nazis whether they have pulled a Sea Lion or not are screwed.
 
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