What if Germany had become conventionally Fascist?

Problem you seem to be missing is that Fascism tends to be militaristic and expansionist. They always pick a group as a foe and discriminate against them harshly . Spain if you were seen as leftist , Italy Arab, Portugal African etc. Not being as bad as Hitler is not a compliment , no western country is going to ally with them unless Stalin starts it and looks if he will keep coming West. Fascism was hated in the free world long before people knew about the camps.
 
Problem you seem to be missing is that Fascism tends to be militaristic and expansionist. They always pick a group as a foe and discriminate against them harshly . Spain if you were seen as leftist , Italy Arab, Portugal African etc. Not being as bad as Hitler is not a compliment , no western country is going to ally with them unless Stalin starts it and looks if he will keep coming West. Fascism was hated in the free world long before people knew about the camps.
What? I mean compared to other colonial powers Portugal was pretty nice to the people it subjugated (that's a low bar, but it's worth noting since you're giving the UK and France a pass). Also I don't even think the Estado Novo is commonly considered to be fascist.
 
What? I mean compared to other colonial powers Portugal was pretty nice to the people it subjugated (that's a low bar, but it's worth noting since you're giving the UK and France a pass). Also I don't even think the Estado Novo is commonly considered to be fascist.
For Portugal its the colonies, Mozambique for instance only a fraction of a percent of the black population were classed as Portuguese citizens and land was segregated on race. Estado Novo was like Peronism is, either a mild form of fascism or corporatism depending on just where you draw the line.
 
No R-M pact. Stalin afraid of possibility of 'Fascist crusade' against SU plays good 'Uncle Joe' and seeks for alliance with the West.
 
IOTL Westerners seeked for alliance during late 1930s, Stalin was not interested. ITTL he would be. He was pragmatic-saving his life and power would be definitely more important to him than ideology.
true, but IOTL is different from ITTL. Stalin might go all Uncle Joe, but a non-Nazi Germany might more easily get support in foreign capitals than Nazi Germant did in OTL.
It really could go either way. I wouldn't be surprised if the countries that would become the WAllies would be split and divided and choose different sides. (Perhaps Britain goes with Germany and France goes USSR?)
 
As always, WW2 simply doesn't happen without that racist angle flogging the Nazis (well, okay, Hitler) on. In all likelihood, the Germans rest on their laurels after Munich... well, until their economy starts to implode, that is. But by then, the rebuilt and reformed Anglo-French and Soviet militaries would have such an obvious advantage that it's unlikely the Wehrmacht goes for it.
 
I still say war is going to happen, not sure if it would lead to WW2. A Fascist German government is still going to want remilitarization and to invade German speaking lands
 
I still say war is going to happen, not sure if it would lead to WW2. A Fascist German government is still going to want remilitarization and to invade German speaking lands
I wonder what UK/Germany/Italy/Japan on one side and France/USSR/China on the other would look like (with the US selling to both sides and profiting off the war).
 
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What exactly do you mean necessary? It's worded a bit unfortunately here.

Sarcasm. Mussolini first said that anti-semitism and fascism are opposed to each other, but at some point (1938?) he copied German race laws, as if anti-semitism had always been a necessary component of Italian fascism.
 
But after 1938 reality changed and Mussolini enacted anti-semitic laws which had always been necessary:openedeyewink:
necessary what on earth do you mean? Its fairly clear that that had more to do with cosying up to Hitler in the Pact of Steel than it did any ideological conviction on Mussolini's part, which presumably is what you mean by reality changing. A different approach from the western allies and no doubt that would not have happened. I don't think anything the west did could have stopped Hitler and the Nazis being anti-Semitic.
 
With a POD far back, even this is not given.

True, our hypothetical alternate leadership could accept the Goerdeler proposal of reintegration with the global economy instead of militarization. The problem is we're still positing a fascist-but-not-Nazi Germany and eschewing a full-scale armament program in favor of a global trade strategy is rather out of character of fascists, irrespective of whether they are specifically Nazis or not. So while I wouldn't rule it out, I wouldn't necessarily regard it as a sure thing.
 
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