What would have happen if Franz Joseph (aka Empress Sisi's husband) was able to marry the first woman he loved before sisi, Princess Anna of Prussia (Otl Landgravine of Hesse)? Story goes he wanted to marry her but she was already engaged to Prince Fredrick of Hesse-Kassel (the widower of Grand Duchess Adini). Also, there was another problem, Prussian statesmen didn't like the prospect of Austro-Prussian alliance. Well, say if Adini hadn't died in childbirth, Anna would be free to marry Franz Joseph I.😄
How would this effect German Unification?
Could this prevent World War I? (as the world doesn't necessarily need it)
How would Austria be different with a more attentive Empress like Anna?
Where does Sisi marry? (Maybe to Franz Joseph's younger brother, Maxmillian, I think they would make a pretty handsome couple 😉 or someone else?)
I know obviously no Franz Ferdinand or Rudolf fiasco as this one event can butterfly a whole bunch of OTL events.
 
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How would this effect German Unification?

Probably not that much. Austria wouldn't be still accepted to the new nation. But perhaps some wars are avoided.

Could this prevent World War I? (as the world doesn't necessarily need it)

Probably not. There was already lot of rivalry and other problems that such thing would happen even without Franz Ferdinand's assassination.

How would Austria be different with a more attentive Empress like Anna?

Good question. Unfortunately I don't know anything about Anna so it is hard to say.

Where does Sisi marry? (Maybe to Franz Joseph's younger brother, Maxmillian, I think they would make a pretty handsome couple 😉 or someone else?)

Not any idea.

I know obviously no Franz Ferdinand or Rudolf fiasco as this one event can butterfly a whole bunch of OTL events.

Very true. Perhaps this alternate son of FJ is mentally more stable and not shot himself. But like I state earlier even without Franz Ferdinand case WW1 might still occur.
 
If the marriage prevents the six weeks' war then it likely also stops the Franco-Prussian war and might keep Prussia out of alliance with Italy.
 
My two-cents (based on what we know):

No Sisi in Vienna. It's likely a good thing. The woman was- and this is putting it politely- a walking disaster. Not only did the court hate her- this had nothing to do with Sopherl, actually- but her contempt for the court was well known to the public. While this seems like a good thing (show yourself as being on the public's side), as Louis XVI's aunts showed, it's corrosive for the monarchy when the criticism of the monarchy as out of touch comes "from inside the house". Why? Because the public - who you've got on side - starts thinking "shit, if it's really so bad that even our empress is criticizing it", it undermines the authority of the crown and the ability of the crown to quell dissent.

Now, let's look at the cause of Sisi's complaints (i.e. why the court hated her- in addition to her not being educated for the role).

The main thing- at first- that was held against Sisi was her birth. She was pretty far down the totem pole for an empress. "Not the right stuffs" as one courtier huffed according to Brigitte Hamann(?)'s bio. Not only was her maternal grandmother a Protestant- not sure why this became a stick to hit a dog with in the 1850s when FJ had the same grandmother. Unless it was a way of voicing disapproval of the emperor without openly attacking the emperor. -but her other ancestry was rather less distinguished. Her paternal grandmother was an Arenberg. While that doesn't sound like a big thing to us, it comes back to the whole "uradel" and "briefadel" snobbery. The Arenbergs had only been noble since the 16th century, firstly, and secondly, there were several Arenberg relatives of the empress at court. These relatives now had to bow and curtsey and think in silence two steps behind a cousin so elevated. To them, that was always going to be a bitter pill to have to swallow. As one said "how can we be expected to respect someone [Sisi] who is one of us?" For all intents and purposes, I think FJ could've married the daughter of a Halbkreisingenieur* and it would've caused fewer problems at court.

Sticking with the court, Sopherl is a convenient pantomime villainess but she's far from the only one. Again, the "call is coming from inside the house". One of Sisi's biggest foes was Wilhelm Albrecht, Count of Montenuovo. Half-brother of the late duke of Reichstadt and morganatic son of Empress Marie Louise. He would've resented Nene as well, since after his mom died and the dust settled after FJ succeeded to the throne, he was dismayed to find that his cousin, the new emperor, had no desire to allow him to inherit his half-brother's estates (the duchy of Reichstadt) in Bohemia (on the grounds of his "morganatic" birth). Things became even worse when FJ settled the duchy of Reichstadt on Sisi to provide for her income (but that was later). So Montenuovo already had one knife out for the Habsburgs. Then he took out another knife because the emperor had married "so low" (he actually used this as a justification for why he should be allowed to inherit Reichstadt, after all, no one would be challenging the rights of FJ's kids for marrying "down") and refused to extend Montenuovo the same courtesy (and honouring the inheritance**).

This feeling of resentment made Montenuovo the lightning rod for opposition to the new empress. IIRC Sopherl only seems to have come onto the scene later.

Sopherl, for her part, FWIG, did try to "help" Sisi "fit into her role" and "find her feet". However, being a "wilful" teenager, Sisi, for the most part ignored her mother-in-law. She trampled on court etiquette, refused to give the "customary" gifts to her ladies-in-waiting that they viewed as their "right", etc etc. The oft-cited complaint that Sopherl took Sisi's children away and called her a "silly young mother"? Let's think about this. Sisi had a role to play at court (i.e. a "career"), she couldn't just "hide in her apartments playing with her children" (as good as that might sound). Is Sopherl really the wicked witch of the west because she stepped in- as many grandparents (including my own) have done because mom and dad both have jobs?- to raise kids? Or is Sopherl trying to help Sisi? But no, Sisi, ever melodramatic (her sister-in-law, Charlotte, in a letter suspected that Sisi may have suffered from what would now be diagnosed as post-partum depression***), threw a tantrum over the matter. The further arguments (basing this on the wiki article) "she [Sopherl] took complete charge of the baby, refusing to allow Elisabeth to breastfeed or otherwise care for her own child." To which I would point out that a decade later, Queen Victoria was horrified to find out that her daughter's were breastfeeding "like a cow" and named one of the cows on the homefarm "Alice" as a withering indication of her opinion of her wayward daughter. Maria Theresia was another horrified opponent of breastfeeding. Not to mention that until- not sure when, but I know my grandmother still passed on the "advice" to my mom in the 1980s- breastfeeding was regarded as a "contraceptive". Which means Sopherl refusing to allow Sisi to do this isn't so much "cruelty" as it is a case of firstly, trying to ensure that there's no hindrances to further childbearing (and birth of an heir), secondly, comes back to the fact that Sisi had a job to do (first lady of the court). To hold that office was, as Antonia Fraser writes "a métier. She has a role to play" that isn't solely decorative.

On the last of the "evil Sopherl" accusations (per wikipedia) let's look at the evil note:
..The natural destiny of a Queen is to give an heir to the throne. If the Queen is so fortunate as to provide the State with a Crown-Prince this should be the end of her ambition – she should by no means meddle with the government of an Empire, the care of which is not a task for women... If the Queen bears no sons, she is merely a foreigner in the State, and a very dangerous foreigner, too. For as she can never hope to be looked on kindly here, and must always expect to be sent back whence she came, so will she always seek to win the King by other than natural means; she will struggle for position and power by intrigue and the sowing of discord, to the mischief of the King, the nation, and the Empire.
If Sopherl truly was the authoress of this note, although no evidence is provided either for/against, is she being malicious? This is a woman who had endured six years of "childless" marriage**** to a man not many were fond of (even Empress Karoline was no saint, remarking that "every so often I need to remind myself or I would slap him [Franz Karl]"), then endure further accusations of infidelity and speculations about the paternity of her eldest sons (Prince Vasa for Franz Joseph, Reichstadt for Maximilian). Those words sound like they may have been taken - almost verbatim - from accusations levelled at Sopherl herself until her first child was born. Is it her being evil or is it her sharing the benefit of her experience?

Yes, maybe Sopherl really was the mother-in-law from Hell, but to any Sisi-defenders, I would point out that there are three sides to the story: Sisi, Sopherl and the truth. History has liked Sisi more than Sopherl, for reasons best known to them, but perhaps we should consider that Sisi's outliving her mother-in-law has allowed her to "skew" the narrative in her favour.

Now, the effect of this "alienation" from the court. Sisi came to despise the court and the courtiers as much as they had loathed her. Difference was, while many made no secret of their contempt, they still bowed and curtsied in the requisite places and treated her with (albeit grudging) respect. There is no record of anyone at court ever being cruel to her. It wasn't as though everyone was pulling her hair and refusing to stand up when she walked into a room. The guards saluted her, the courtiers bowed, if she said something, unless there was a standing order (due to etiquette) to the contrary, it was done. Even - and this was a stunt the French Second Empire court pulled on Eugènie to indicate their contempt- that when she arrived somewhere, she was never not given a chair with arms.

Sisi's whole "problems" with the court and her "love of Hungary, of the freedom, of the liberalism" of the people, were problematic. Sisi was no political genius- and I doubt even an education could've given her a passing grade- and as much as she leaned into that "love", and came to champion Hungary (to the dismay of the court) and Hungarian language, she was sowing the dragon's teeth. I don't say that sans Sisi, the matter of Hungary wouldn't be resolved, but I do think there were several less-than-scrupulous persons both for and against the Hungarians who used her "love affair" to their own advantage. And she became a pawn (how unwitting she was, I have no idea) in the chess game between her husband and the Hungarians.

So...how would Anna do by comparison? Well, considering she had six children with a man that "never got over his first wife", was described as "intelligent" and "artistic" by Brahms, Clara Schumann, even Queen Victoria and Bismarck, and she had the looks in her corner*****, like Sisi did.

I'll leave the jury to decide on an Empress Anna vs Sisi

*a street-sweeper
**Montenuovo actually had no right to the duchy. It was granted to Marie Louise at the Congress of Vienna, although in 1819 when Frankie was deprived of his rights to inherit Parma, she ceded a duchy she had never visited to the son she seldom saw. Then, when Frankie died OTL, the duchy reverted to his mom. Marie Louise married Neipperg morganatically which means that even if she had the right to dispose of the duchy, he had no claim, either as a legitimized bastard or as the child of a morganatic marriage. Unfortunately, he believed that he did (for some reason), and was disappointed when FJ refused to allow him to inherit the duchy, which was instead, granted to retired Emperor Ferdinand.
***no date is given on the letter when its cited, so we have no idea which pregnancy this was. Also, take it with a grain of salt because Sisi hated Charlotte, who, herself, seems to have resented Sisi. Not because Sisi had married the emperor/Charlotte the spare, but because she regarded Sisi as "undignified" and her already frequent "illnesses" and "absences" from court - usually timed with "not getting her way" - meant that Charlotte had to regularly sub for her. Sisi's main reason for hating Charlotte (a hatred she later transferred to the innocent Stéphanie) was "because she was better at it" and because she took Sisi's "darling Maxi" away.
****The dates for Sophie of Bavaria (FJ's mom)'s miscarriages of the 1820s so frequently listed: July 1826 and June 1827. Gerd Holler's bio of Sophie from the 1990s and Gabriele Praschl-Bichler include a further THREE between 1825-1829. The "proof" of the 1827 miscarriage comes in a letter Sophie wrote to her sister, Elisabeth, who had LIKEWISE recently miscarried
*****except her teeth. Her teeth were apparently bad, according to a critiquing of her by Queen Victoria. Josephine de Beauharnais had bad teeth, didn't stop her from marrying Napoleon. Her intelligence was why Victoria rejected her as "not at all Bertie's type" [i.e. smart. Alix of Denmark was certainly not overburdened with intelligence]
 
I would say that Anna as empress would do well on the whole, certainly at the beginning her being Prussian and Protestant will be seen badly by the court, by the clergy and by the people, but knowing that she was the first choice of the emperor ( who seemed really in love with her ) and that Otl converted to Catholicism she shouldn't have problems in being loved, it will be intriguing instead how this marriage will influence the relations between the two German powers and the development of the confederation in general ( would we go towards a dualism as Prussia wanted in 1850 ? )
 
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My two-cents (based on what we know):

No Sisi in Vienna. It's likely a good thing. The woman was- and this is putting it politely- a walking disaster. Not only did the court hate her- this had nothing to do with Sopherl, actually- but her contempt for the court was well known to the public. While this seems like a good thing (show yourself as being on the public's side), as Louis XVI's aunts showed, it's corrosive for the monarchy when the criticism of the monarchy as out of touch comes "from inside the house". Why? Because the public - who you've got on side - starts thinking "shit, if it's really so bad that even our empress is criticizing it", it undermines the authority of the crown and the ability of the crown to quell dissent.

Now, let's look at the cause of Sisi's complaints (i.e. why the court hated her- in addition to her not being educated for the role).

The main thing- at first- that was held against Sisi was her birth. She was pretty far down the totem pole for an empress. "Not the right stuffs" as one courtier huffed according to Brigitte Hamann(?)'s bio. Not only was her maternal grandmother a Protestant- not sure why this became a stick to hit a dog with in the 1850s when FJ had the same grandmother. Unless it was a way of voicing disapproval of the emperor without openly attacking the emperor. -but her other ancestry was rather less distinguished. Her paternal grandmother was an Arenberg. While that doesn't sound like a big thing to us, it comes back to the whole "uradel" and "briefadel" snobbery. The Arenbergs had only been noble since the 16th century, firstly, and secondly, there were several Arenberg relatives of the empress at court. These relatives now had to bow and curtsey and think in silence two steps behind a cousin so elevated. To them, that was always going to be a bitter pill to have to swallow. As one said "how can we be expected to respect someone [Sisi] who is one of us?" For all intents and purposes, I think FJ could've married the daughter of a Halbkreisingenieur* and it would've caused fewer problems at court.

Sticking with the court, Sopherl is a convenient pantomime villainess but she's far from the only one. Again, the "call is coming from inside the house". One of Sisi's biggest foes was Wilhelm Albrecht, Count of Montenuovo. Half-brother of the late duke of Reichstadt and morganatic son of Empress Marie Louise. He would've resented Nene as well, since after his mom died and the dust settled after FJ succeeded to the throne, he was dismayed to find that his cousin, the new emperor, had no desire to allow him to inherit his half-brother's estates (the duchy of Reichstadt) in Bohemia (on the grounds of his "morganatic" birth). Things became even worse when FJ settled the duchy of Reichstadt on Sisi to provide for her income (but that was later). So Montenuovo already had one knife out for the Habsburgs. Then he took out another knife because the emperor had married "so low" (he actually used this as a justification for why he should be allowed to inherit Reichstadt, after all, no one would be challenging the rights of FJ's kids for marrying "down") and refused to extend Montenuovo the same courtesy (and honouring the inheritance**).

This feeling of resentment made Montenuovo the lightning rod for opposition to the new empress. IIRC Sopherl only seems to have come onto the scene later.

Sopherl, for her part, FWIG, did try to "help" Sisi "fit into her role" and "find her feet". However, being a "wilful" teenager, Sisi, for the most part ignored her mother-in-law. She trampled on court etiquette, refused to give the "customary" gifts to her ladies-in-waiting that they viewed as their "right", etc etc. The oft-cited complaint that Sopherl took Sisi's children away and called her a "silly young mother"? Let's think about this. Sisi had a role to play at court (i.e. a "career"), she couldn't just "hide in her apartments playing with her children" (as good as that might sound). Is Sopherl really the wicked witch of the west because she stepped in- as many grandparents (including my own) have done because mom and dad both have jobs?- to raise kids? Or is Sopherl trying to help Sisi? But no, Sisi, ever melodramatic (her sister-in-law, Charlotte, in a letter suspected that Sisi may have suffered from what would now be diagnosed as post-partum depression***), threw a tantrum over the matter. The further arguments (basing this on the wiki article) "she [Sopherl] took complete charge of the baby, refusing to allow Elisabeth to breastfeed or otherwise care for her own child." To which I would point out that a decade later, Queen Victoria was horrified to find out that her daughter's were breastfeeding "like a cow" and named one of the cows on the homefarm "Alice" as a withering indication of her opinion of her wayward daughter. Maria Theresia was another horrified opponent of breastfeeding. Not to mention that until- not sure when, but I know my grandmother still passed on the "advice" to my mom in the 1980s- breastfeeding was regarded as a "contraceptive". Which means Sopherl refusing to allow Sisi to do this isn't so much "cruelty" as it is a case of firstly, trying to ensure that there's no hindrances to further childbearing (and birth of an heir), secondly, comes back to the fact that Sisi had a job to do (first lady of the court). To hold that office was, as Antonia Fraser writes "a métier. She has a role to play" that isn't solely decorative.

On the last of the "evil Sopherl" accusations (per wikipedia) let's look at the evil note:

If Sopherl truly was the authoress of this note, although no evidence is provided either for/against, is she being malicious? This is a woman who had endured six years of "childless" marriage**** to a man not many were fond of (even Empress Karoline was no saint, remarking that "every so often I need to remind myself or I would slap him [Franz Karl]"), then endure further accusations of infidelity and speculations about the paternity of her eldest sons (Prince Vasa for Franz Joseph, Reichstadt for Maximilian). Those words sound like they may have been taken - almost verbatim - from accusations levelled at Sopherl herself until her first child was born. Is it her being evil or is it her sharing the benefit of her experience?

Yes, maybe Sopherl really was the mother-in-law from Hell, but to any Sisi-defenders, I would point out that there are three sides to the story: Sisi, Sopherl and the truth. History has liked Sisi more than Sopherl, for reasons best known to them, but perhaps we should consider that Sisi's outliving her mother-in-law has allowed her to "skew" the narrative in her favour.

Now, the effect of this "alienation" from the court. Sisi came to despise the court and the courtiers as much as they had loathed her. Difference was, while many made no secret of their contempt, they still bowed and curtsied in the requisite places and treated her with (albeit grudging) respect. There is no record of anyone at court ever being cruel to her. It wasn't as though everyone was pulling her hair and refusing to stand up when she walked into a room. The guards saluted her, the courtiers bowed, if she said something, unless there was a standing order (due to etiquette) to the contrary, it was done. Even - and this was a stunt the French Second Empire court pulled on Eugènie to indicate their contempt- that when she arrived somewhere, she was never not given a chair with arms.

Sisi's whole "problems" with the court and her "love of Hungary, of the freedom, of the liberalism" of the people, were problematic. Sisi was no political genius- and I doubt even an education could've given her a passing grade- and as much as she leaned into that "love", and came to champion Hungary (to the dismay of the court) and Hungarian language, she was sowing the dragon's teeth. I don't say that sans Sisi, the matter of Hungary wouldn't be resolved, but I do think there were several less-than-scrupulous persons both for and against the Hungarians who used her "love affair" to their own advantage. And she became a pawn (how unwitting she was, I have no idea) in the chess game between her husband and the Hungarians.

So...how would Anna do by comparison? Well, considering she had six children with a man that "never got over his first wife", was described as "intelligent" and "artistic" by Brahms, Clara Schumann, even Queen Victoria and Bismarck, and she had the looks in her corner*****, like Sisi did.

I'll leave the jury to decide on an Empress Anna vs Sisi

*a street-sweeper
**Montenuovo actually had no right to the duchy. It was granted to Marie Louise at the Congress of Vienna, although in 1819 when Frankie was deprived of his rights to inherit Parma, she ceded a duchy she had never visited to the son she seldom saw. Then, when Frankie died OTL, the duchy reverted to his mom. Marie Louise married Neipperg morganatically which means that even if she had the right to dispose of the duchy, he had no claim, either as a legitimized bastard or as the child of a morganatic marriage. Unfortunately, he believed that he did (for some reason), and was disappointed when FJ refused to allow him to inherit the duchy, which was instead, granted to retired Emperor Ferdinand.
***no date is given on the letter when its cited, so we have no idea which pregnancy this was. Also, take it with a grain of salt because Sisi hated Charlotte, who, herself, seems to have resented Sisi. Not because Sisi had married the emperor/Charlotte the spare, but because she regarded Sisi as "undignified" and her already frequent "illnesses" and "absences" from court - usually timed with "not getting her way" - meant that Charlotte had to regularly sub for her. Sisi's main reason for hating Charlotte (a hatred she later transferred to the innocent Stéphanie) was "because she was better at it" and because she took Sisi's "darling Maxi" away.
****The dates for Sophie of Bavaria (FJ's mom)'s miscarriages of the 1820s so frequently listed: July 1826 and June 1827. Gerd Holler's bio of Sophie from the 1990s and Gabriele Praschl-Bichler include a further THREE between 1825-1829. The "proof" of the 1827 miscarriage comes in a letter Sophie wrote to her sister, Elisabeth, who had LIKEWISE recently miscarried
*****except her teeth. Her teeth were apparently bad, according to a critiquing of her by Queen Victoria. Josephine de Beauharnais had bad teeth, didn't stop her from marrying Napoleon. Her intelligence was why Victoria rejected her as "not at all Bertie's type" [i.e. smart. Alix of Denmark was certainly not overburdened with intelligence]
I am more on Team Sophie and I sympathized with Sophie because it must have been exhausting to deal with a childish daughter-in-law. Not to mention it doesn't help Sisi case that Sophie preferred Anna over her as one of FJ's loves.
 
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But the thing is would Anna be as popular as Sisi. She would have hard time at first as Empress considering like Nuraghe said being Protestant and German (Sisi being the latter which isn't the a major problem). I wonder how the whole Hungarian situation would go and if FJ and Anna would become King and Queen of Hungary as it was in OTL. Unless, Sisi had something to do with FJ becoming King of Hungary. Or another idea FJ makes Maxmillian King of Hungary, if he isn't Emperor of Mexico as in the OTL. Either way Sisi would still get to be Queen of the people she actually cared about. 😉
Edit: By the way, any other candidates for Sisi's hand other than Maxmillian. I personally think Sisi and Maxmillian would fit each other better than the disastrous union that is FJ and Sisi.🤪 Either way is it still possible for Sisi to hate the court as all eyes will be on Anna not her, although she'd probably hate that she rivaled her in beauty.
 
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But the thing is would Anna be as popular as Sisi. She would have hard time at first as Empress considering like Nuraghe said being Protestant
Anna would be obliged to convert under the Habsburg house laws. Prussia can kick up a fuss about it, but if they do, the Habsburgs can just say "we'll look elsewhere". Habsburgs aren't going to allow her to remain Protestant.
nd German (Sisi being the latter which isn't the a major problem). I wonder how the whole Hungarian situation would go and if FJ and Anna would become King and Queen of Hungary as it was in OTL. Unless, Sisi had something to do with FJ becoming King of Hungary.
Nope, FJ is king of Hungary. The problem came in that there were many in Hungary who viewed Ferdinand's abdication as invalid. However, Ferdinand couldn't act against the Hungarians in 1848 without violating his coronation oath which is why Schwarzenberg persuaded him to abdicate and then acted before FJ's own coronation/oath taking
Or another idea FJ makes Maxmillian King of Hungary, if he isn't Emperor of Mexico as in the OTL.
Not gonna happen. The British suggested this OTL and it was one of the main causes for FJ's growing distrust of his brother.
Either way Sisi would still get to be Queen of the people she actually cared about. 😉
I'll take that "actually cared about" with some lemon and salt if you have :p IMO the only person who mattered to Sisi was Sisi. She "liked" the Hungarians because she disliked the Viennese, how much she actually cared about the country, its actual issues etc? Not really. She cared about Hungary in the same way she identified as a liberal, it gave her an excuse to NOT do whatever she was actually she supposed to do. Aside from hunting season and learning the language, do we have any proof of anything she actually did for Hungary/Hungarians that Dorothea of Württemberg or her son, Palatine Joszef hadn't done already? Dorothea was actually involved in Budapest and Hungarian life. After she was "removed" by Metternich, who separated her from her children and exiled her to Austria, most of her charities stood abandoned until FJ married. When they were placed under Sisi's aegis. Know what Sisi did with those charities (schools for girls, trade schools in the country, associations for miner's, for farmers, for priests, lace workers etc etc) when she got them? Nada. Even in the Times she was in Budapest she would delegate Hildegard of Bavaria, Duchess of Teschen, to do the actual work so she could live it up in Corfu, Madeira and God knows where else.
Edit: By the way, any other candidates for Sisi's hand other than Maxmillian. I personally think Sisi and Maxmillian would fit each other better than the disastrous union that is FJ and Sisi.🤪 Either way is it still possible for Sisi to hate the court as all eyes will be on Anna not her, although she'd probably hate that she rivaled her in beauty.
As far as I'm concerned, if Sisi's not Empress, none of her siblings will likely be making matches anywhere half as good as OTL. At best, it'll be to first cousins and second sons. And Max was completely not interested in Sisi. Sure, they had overlapping interests, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a case of "grass is greener" for her. He had the time to "worship" at the Sisi altar that FJ didn't.

Although there is an evil part of me that's considering pairing her with Léopold II of Belgium when I get back to Frankie
 
I'll take that "actually cared about" with some lemon and salt if you have :p IMO the only person who mattered to Sisi was Sisi. She "liked" the Hungarians because she disliked the Viennese, how much she actually cared about the country, its actual issues etc? Not really. She cared about Hungary in the same way she identified as a liberal, it gave her an excuse to NOT do whatever she was actually she supposed to do. Aside from hunting season and learning the language, do we have any proof of anything she actually did for Hungary/Hungarians that Dorothea of Württemberg or her son, Palatine Joszef hadn't done already? Dorothea was actually involved in Budapest and Hungarian life. After she was "removed" by Metternich, who separated her from her children and exiled her to Austria, most of her charities stood abandoned until FJ married. When they were placed under Sisi's aegis. Know what Sisi did with those charities (schools for girls, trade schools in the country, associations for miner's, for farmers, for priests, lace workers etc etc) when she got them? Nada. Even in the Times she was in Budapest she would delegate Hildegard of Bavaria, Duchess of Teschen, to do the actual work so she could live it up in Corfu, Madeira and God knows where else.

As far as I'm concerned, if Sisi's not Empress, none of her siblings will likely be making matches anywhere half as good as OTL. At best, it'll be to first cousins and second sons. And Max was completely not interested in Sisi. Sure, they had overlapping interests, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a case of "grass is greener" for her. He had the time to "worship" at the Sisi altar that FJ didn't.

Although there is an evil part of me that's considering pairing her with Léopold II of Belgium when I get back to Frankie
Dang, I feel bad for the people that see her as a saint who could do no wrong. She kinda seems like one of those mean girls off a high school movie. I only pity her for her son's death and anorexia, she seemed like a miserable person all around 🙁.
Although there is an evil part of me that's considering pairing her with Léopold II of Belgium when I get back to Frankie
I saw a thread where someone matched her with her cousin, Ludwig II. 🤪 Although, that is very unlikely considering their age gap. Sisi would have been too old for him and already married. I also feel bad for Sisi's older sister, Nene who was basically rejected for her younger sister.
 
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@Kellan Sullivan ?
Dang, I feel bad for the people that see her as a saint who could do no wrong. She kinda seems like one of those mean girls off a high school movie. I only pity her for her son's death and anorexia, she seemed like a miserable person all around 🙁.

I saw a thread where someone matched her with her cousin, Ludwig II. 🤪 Although, that is very unlikely considering their age gap. Sisi would have been too old for him and already married. I also feel bad for Sisi's older sister, Nene who was basically rejected for her younger sister.
 
I was just seeing if you were there. I guess not a lot of people are interested in this forum. But is AE really not going to collapse if they just had a more attentive empress and stable heir? Wasn't there more internal issues?
 
I was just seeing if you were there. I guess not a lot of people are interested in this forum. But is AE really not going to collapse if they just had a more attentive empress and stable heir? Wasn't there more internal issues?


certain that there were internal problems, some even important, but let's say that a different empress could assist Franz Joseph in his functions of government and representation thus simplifying life, furthermore we will not see the Hungarians so over-represented compared to the other ethnic groups of the empire as Otl instead happens with Sisi ( for example the Slavs will not be so snubbed, especially the Bohemians who Elisabeth despised )
 
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I was just seeing if you were there. I guess not a lot of people are interested in this forum. But is AE really not going to collapse if they just had a more attentive empress and stable heir? Wasn't there more internal issues?
there were certainly more issues. But the empire's "collapse" was not pre-ordained. In fact, as late as 1910, it would still be possible to pull a rabbit out of the hat.
 
there were certainly more issues. But the empire's "collapse" was not pre-ordained. In fact, as late as 1910, it would still be possible to pull a rabbit out of the hat.


I fully agree, where can I sign this ?, the only thing that would have been to do was to find a compromise for the Slavic populations of the empire, giving them a fair representation, putting them on a par with Germans and Magyars, then once ethnic tensions had decreased, addressing social problems ( such as land reform, industry, health, education, civil and workers' rights, etc )
 
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