What if France lost the First World war but won the second?

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That "musician" earned the name "The March King" for a reason. You don't become that famous in a cultural vacuum that is not receptive to a certain mind-set.

He was called the “American March King” because he wrote marches. So what? It’s not (again) the system of government.

Wolfgang Kapp? Of the Kapp Putsch? He died in Sweden of cancer after the posse went after him. He was a big fat zero.

No. Friedrich Ebert. The SDP’s first President of the Republic of Germany.

EDIT: Also, what the hell does the Kapp Putsch have to do with the abdication of the Kaiser? Why would you even think that was who the picture was of, even if you didn’t know who it was?

By the way the German led side of the posse was this pair of people:

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Posse once again is a gross misrepresentation of what happened.


Because things do not happen in isolation?

I still don’t get what you’re on about. Half of what you’re writing is nonsense and the other half is events coming from the defeat of Germany where the PoD ITTL is literally the opposite of that.
 
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He was called the “American March King” because he wrote marches. So what? It’s not (again) the system of government.

No. Friedrich Ebert. The SDP’s first President of the Republic of Germany.

Posse once again is a gross misrepresentation of what happened.

I still don’t get what you’re on about. Half of what you’re writing is nonsense and the other half is events coming from the defeat of Germany where the PoD ITTL is literally the opposite of that.

1. March King, period. World famous, not just American.
2. Apologies.

All those whack-jobs look alike.
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3. Kaiser Wilhelm was told to "Get out." or else.
4. Even a victory can be a defeat. Germany is supposed top represent "France" WWI or do you not understand what that means?

No, he's just lead them to victory in a hard fought war. You might get whackjobs trying to assassinate him, but ultimately, victory covers a MULTITUDE of sins. The crowds would cheer his name for gods sake. Did the victorious French and British populations try to lynch their leaders? No!

McKinley.
Lincoln.
Duke of Wellington
Lord Louis Mountbattan

etc.

As for trying to "lynch" their victorious leader?

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Meet Thersites, Massachussettes WW I version. There is a good chance Wilson and he killed each other with opposing aneurisms.

Such is the power of hate, I'm sad to write.

McP.
 
I don’t see a victorious Imperial Germany becoming militarily incompetent in 20 years. Wilhelmine Germany was a militant society, practically worshipping the Heer and the officers of the Great General Staff. With a military politically independent of governmental control (presumably even more so in the aftermath of a successful *WWI), they would be free to pursue all advances in military technology at a whim. I just can’t see a German military becoming hidebound and slipping behind in advances such as motorisation and aviation, especially with an industrial base unaffected by reparations and the loss of infrastructure as in OTL.

Well after Frederick the great's peak, the Prussians used an obsolete army against Napoleon in 1806.
 

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1. March King, period. World famous, not just American.

‘Fraid not, old boy.
“He is known as "The March King" or the "American March King", to distinguish him from his British counterpart Kenneth J. Alford who is also known as "The March King".”
From the intro to Sousa’s wiki page

To me, he’s the American March King, period.

2. Apologies.

All those whack-jobs look alike.

Heh. That we can agree on.


3. Kaiser Wilhelm was told to "Get out." or else.

Not exactly, but closer to the truth than being “one horse ahead of a posse”.

4. Even a victory can be a defeat. Germany is supposed top represent "France" WWI or do you not understand what that means?

I understand completely the idea, but it’s trite and often lazy AH. The key point (that I’ve been repeating) is that Germany’s system of government under the Kaiser was unlike that of almost any other Great Power nation of the time. Therefore, what happened in Britain, France or the USA would not (in all likelihood) happen in a victorious Germany. There just wasn’t the mechanism for it to occur.


Woah. You’re not trying to suggest that Mountbatten’s death was linked to being victorious in war and he was killed by “his own people”? GTFO on that one. Incredibly ignorant (if not downright offensive) of you to even suggest that they’re tangentially connected.
 
‘Fraid not, old boy.
“He is known as "The March King" or the "American March King", to distinguish him from his British counterpart Kenneth J. Alford who is also known as "The March King".”
From the intro to Sousa’s wiki page

To me, he’s the American March King, period.

Aside from the Colonel Bogey, I don't think there is a single march I associate with that man. El Captain, Washington Post, Hands Across the Sea etc, are global. Even Monty Python uses Sousa; so there. :cool:

Heh. That we can agree on.
Not exactly, but closer to the truth than being “one horse ahead of a posse”.

You've heard of the expression; "I want you out of town by Sundown." ? That means "or else."

I understand completely the idea, but it’s trite and often lazy AH. The key point (that I’ve been repeating) is that Germany’s system of government under the Kaiser was unlike that of almost any other Great Power nation of the time. Therefore, what happened in Britain, France or the USA would not (in all likelihood) happen in a victorious Germany. There just wasn’t the mechanism for it to occur.

I can think of two besides the militaristic United States of the period. 1 is Japan, and the other is... wait for it, Russia.

Woah. You’re not trying to suggest that Mountbatten’s death was linked to being victorious in war and he was killed by “his own people”? GTFO on that one. Incredibly ignorant (if not downright offensive) of you to even suggest that they’re tangentially connected.

It would be touchy for someone who reveres Mountbattan, but I note from another PoV:

The man who killed Mountbattan was born in County Monaghan, just across the border from Northern Ireland, and thus had a HATE for the British born from his PoV of British occupation of his "country".

Mountbattan was a victor and British hero of WW II and a prominent figure in the release of India from British colonial rule. He was perfectly made to order for a political statement.

That is the case. John Wilkes Booth is the direct American parallel. Of course the Americans killed him. (The Americans usually kill those who conduct such type attacks against them.). Last I checked Thomas McMahon was still alive.

McP.
 

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Aside from the Colonel Bogey, I don't think there is a single march I associate with that man. El Captain, Washington Post, Hands Across the Sea etc, are global. Even Monty Python uses Sousa; so there. :cool:

Well woopty doo for you. We agree to differ.


You've heard of the expression; "I want you out of town by Sundown." ? That means "or else."

I’ve heard the expression but it is nothing to do with how Wilhelm's exile came about and I have no idea why you’re still flogging this horse.

I can think of two besides the militaristic United States of the period. 1 is Japan, and the other is... wait for it, Russia.

Wait, you think the United States’ system of government is akin to Wilhelmine Germany’s? Oh dear.

It would be touchy for someone who reveres Mountbattan, but I note from another PoV:

The man who killed Mountbattan was born in County Monaghan, just across the border from Northern Ireland, and thus had a HATE for the British born from his PoV of British occupation of his "country".

Mountbattan was a victor and British hero of WW II and a prominent figure in the release of India from British colonial rule. He was perfectly made to order for a political statement.

That is the case. John Wilkes Booth is the direct American parallel. Of course the Americans killed him. (The Americans usually kill those who conduct such type attacks against them.). Last I checked Thomas McMahon was still alive.

McP.

What the hell are you on about? You realise not everything has to be hammered into an American example? FWIW, Ireland was a separate country to Britain by this point and when McMahon was born Ireland was independent.
 
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