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What if Everything went right: The Greatest Show-people
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*It's kind of fun to do the Impossible*
Walter Elias Disney (1901-1975)

*The Magic Here is not just for the children. But it's for everyone of all ages*
Theodore Elias Disney (1926-1989)

*Walt Forged, Theodore Crafted. Today we come together to Preserve all that came before*
Peter James Disney (1957-)
 
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Timeline Co-Creator: TheFaultsofAlts

Arthurs Note: So welcome to my second official timeline and one that means the most to me. Heil to the Kaiserreich is based on a question I have always wondered but the world of Disney has always held my heart. Walt has been an inspiration since I was a child. Walt however was not the perfect man and he had many problems but pushing that aside he changed entertainment forever. I now present a timeline to you which I have always wanted to write. A world of welt’s utopia. Everything will go right for the company, every failure turned into success. Walt will change as well and so too will the wider world. A Utopia started with just a rabbit and a mouse. Before we began properly, I must take the time to thank OldNavy1988. His Disney timeline has inspired me to write not only this but to change my writing to alt-history. Read his timeline here: https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/as-dreamers-do-american-magic-redux.490374/

Please comment, give suggestions, ask questions, or just leave your support. All is appreciated.
 
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Prologue: Once Upon a time in reality


Prologue: Once Upon a time in reality

Once Upon a Time, in America not so long ago. Walt Disney was born in 1901. Nobody at the time knew what he would go on to do but Walt would change the world. He became a pioneer of the American animation industry; he introduced several developments in the production of cartoons. With his team, he introduced the world to beloved characters such as Mickey Mouse, Donald duck, show white, dumbo, and more. Today you know a Disney character even if you don’t like Disney. Disney also holds the record for most Academy Awards earned by an individual, having won 22 Oscars from 59 nominations. Walt worked closely with the likes of his brother Roy and had a close partnership with Urb Iwerks. At first, the company was laughed at but the success of snow-white changed everything.

Walt was anything but boring. He was adventurous and went about introducing synchronized sound, full-color three-strip Technicolor, feature-length cartoons, and technical developments in cameras. It changed the world. Soon came more and more films for Disney. Eventually, he expanded beyond just them. Theme parks soon followed in California and Florida. Then tragedy struck hard. Disney had become a heavy smoker throughout his life and that came back with a vengeance in the 1960s. he died in December of 1966 unable to ever see his dream come true. The park opened but EPCOT would never be realized. The Florida Project was renamed Walt Disney World in his memory.

Disney would enter a dark period after Walt’s death which it would only truly recover from in 1989 with the little mermaid. A new birth was soon found with big hitters we all now know and love. Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, lion king gave a whole new generation the Disney magic that the older generations. The company continued to grow through some of the movies in the later part of the 1990s and early 2000s. soon the company would grow eating up Pixar which bolstered the good movies, Disney, where producing. Disney was not to be left behind however and soon a new age was born with the debut of princess and frog. The rest we know as the Disney of today. They bought out and own marvel and Lucas films.

Their entertainment empire spans the globe. From theme parks in nearly every corner of the world to a dominating streaming service. The MCU is a franchise that brings in the money. Their animation movies have also continued to improve with Zootopia and Moana being a return to from. However, it was never easy to get here. rewinding the clock to Walt’s time. Things were never easy. He suffered what could be considered a hard childhood. He and his brother used to have to wake up at 4:30 every morning to deliver the Times before school and repeated the round for the evening Star after school. The schedule was exhausting for the young boy yet it was his life.

Things did not get any easier as he aged. He began smoking at an early age, something that would kill him. In the 1920s, his early businesses failed, and eventually, when they did find success, they lost it and their staff to universal. Oswald the lucky rabbit was taken with it. the tragedy did not stop there. Walt’s smother died in a house he had bought for her and he would never truly move on from that loss. His movie dreams were also somewhat crushed. Pinocchio in early 1938 and Fantasia did not do well and world war two soon crushed the studio further. It was all stuff they would recover from but eventually before he could truly come to realize his dreams. He died.

Walt’s legacy has left questions remaining behind. Disney has been accused of anti-Semitism; he’s been accused of being raciest as well. Etheric serotypes in the early films did not help nor did songs of the south. Like it or not, however, Walt is a cultural icon and without him and his team, the world would likely not the same. So, let us stop the clock, stop taking apart Disney. He was a flawed man and was far from perfect. No man is perfect.

Rewind the clock. Before the 90s rebirth, before the slump of the 70s and early 80s, before the swinging 1960s, the rebirth of the 1950s, the troubles of world war two in the 1940s, and the golden age of animation that began in the 1930s. travel further back through world war one and into the 1900s. 1901 to be exact. What if everything for Disney went right. What if he never lost Oswald, what if his mother never died and his flops were successes, what if Walt never died in the 1960s. the world he changed will be changed even more. Things never built will rise from the ground and others who perished will find themselves in a Disney world. Marylin Monroe, James’s dean, and others will find their fates shifted too. The world is about to change forever. A utopia is waiting in the wings. The progressive movie maker and king maker in democratic presidencies are preparing and the lights are set. The animators are standing by, the curtains are ready to rise on a whole new world. So, without further ado. Once Upon a time in Chicago, Walter Elias Disney was born.
 
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Chapter One: The Early Childhood of Walt Disney


Chapter One: The Early Childhood of Walt Disney

Elias Disney was the father of Walt Disney. Elias was Disney was an ardent socialist and a supporter of Eugene Debs. He became a farmer and a businessman with little success. He pledged to pass on his socialist views to whatever family he may have in the future. It is here that the traits Walt would go on to have come from. Elias was a man with dreams. He worked for a short time as a mailman in Kissimmee, Florida, and also attempted to be an orange grower. None of these would be successful but would be vital for the future Walt. Soon marriage came calling for Elias. They met in Florida during Elias's time down in the Sunshine State and marriage soon followed.

He married Flora Call on January 1, 1888. Oddly enough they lived just 50 miles north of the land on which Walt Disney World would eventually be built. It was not the first time the pair had met as she was the daughter of his father's neighbors. Flora was a grammar teacher; this job would affect both Walt and Roy as they grew. Just one year after their marriage in 1888. Their first child (Herbert Arthur Disney) was born. Herbert would go on to be a Letter Carrier. Soon after the birth of their first child, Elias moved the family back to Chicago. A key friendship formed for Elias in this time. He became friends with Walter Parr, a preacher for whom Walt would be named after.

Another child would follow in 1890. Raymond Arnold Disney. He would go on to be a self-employed Insurance Broker. By now the world fair was coming to Chicago. Needing work, Elias became a construction worker for the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago. This would be an event that would inspire both Walt and Roy. One key part of the Disney Media empire was born in 1893 named Roy Oliver Disney. During the rest of the 1890s, Elias became a trusted home constructer, even building his own family home. The parents also became trustees at the local church. Their socialist progressive views were entrusted to their children.

Just one year after the turn of the 20th century. Their next child was born. Walter Elias Disney was born on December 5, 1901, at 1249 Tripp Avenue, in Chicago's Hermosa neighborhood. Growing up Walt was taught by his mother as she was once her teacher. Disney’s early beliefs began to be molded at a young age. his father was never drunk and was not against beating his children if they misbehaved. He also kept their money because he considered them too young to look after it themselves. Walt would never hate his father however and would always have respect from him as he grew.

The fifth and final child Joining the family in 1903 called Ruth. The young Walt would spend frequent time with his young sister. It was here another view of Walt’s would be forged. His ardent respect for women especially his family was born. Walt would often play with his sister and his brother Roy which caused great worry from his father and often caused punishments. Just as he had when he was younger, Elias was to move the family again and his wife agreed. Flora would always agree with Elias and their marriage was a happy one. Despite Elias having anger problems, he never lashed out at his wife. Another lesson for a young Walt.

Before any move began. Walt began to draw on any scraps of paper. Boxes, planes, or his house. He drew it. His father was not pleased. He did not see any future in drawing and punished the boy for it. but Walt was not one to give up and continued to draw no matter what. His brother Roy too went against his father and aided his brother in his drawing. Walt soon began to draw for his sister which powered his inspiration. Soon however it was time to move away from the home they had always known since Walt was young. To Marceline was the place the family would now go. A young Walt already having his views shaped would find greater inspiration in Marceline. A choice to make was on the horizon. And Walt’s father who stood against the drawing would accidentally helped his son and shape his future even further.
 
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Chapter Two: Opening His Eyes to a Wider World


Chapter Two: Opening His Eyes to a Wider World

Elias wanted his children to be good people, to never smoke or drink. He wanted them to be just like he was. Living where they had originally lived was no longer viable for the father. Elias had come to fear the rising crime rate in the city and came to believe it was no longer safe for his family. The final push to move came when Elias learned that two children nearby had been involved in a robbery. He feared deeply his children would be influenced by local events. That his sons would become criminals and tarnish the family. It was not something he could sit back and accept. To save the family from the rot he feared, he moved them to Marceline. He came to own a farm that pre-dated the founding of the city itself.

Elias hoped that owning a farm would shape his young sons into young hardworking men and would help quash Walt’s growling desire to draw. The four-year-old child was still too young to work properly on the farm but Elias put him to work wherever he could. His hopes to shy him away from drawing would not go down as planned. The move to Marceline would shape the young Walt in more ways than his father could ever realize. Instead of pushing him away from his drawings the move Instead further emboldened him to continue. His father occult not truly understand why the move had not helped take away his son’s love of drawing but two things had become more prominent in the young child’s life.

The first was trains. The Move had placed the family close to the Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe Railway line. Walt would often go sit close to the train line and watch them pass by. When his father learned of this new growing obsession his father did not act out against it as he had done with his drawing. His father believed his love of trains would shape the young Walt into an industrial man, it was not the dream he had for the young boy but working on the trains was a respectable job and could get you much further than drawing ever could. His father encouraged him to visit the train lines and local stations to further increase his interest. Yet his father did not know that Walt’s brother Herbert had felt sympathy for Walt and had bought him watercolors and crayons.



Walt’s love of drawing soon exploded even more though as he grew, he learned to hide it from his parents. He would spend hours by the train laws, drawing the trains. His spirit of never giving up was one thing Walt had taken from his father. Soon however another outside influence joined Walt’s life. He and his younger sister Ruth started school at the same time at the Park School in Marceline in late 1909. It was here Walt became obsessed with reading. Books were a doorway into another world for an eight-year-old boy who finds ever-increasing work upon the farm they lived in. He came to love adventure novels and would often read fairy tales to his younger sister. Nobody knew it at the time but the opening of Walt to so many books and tales would never leave him. It would remain with him for the rest of his life even as others grew up.

Soon however their lives were set to change again. The family was forced to sell the farm they lived and worked on. Elias was by that time offering from typhoid fever, followed by pneumonia. They rented a home for a while before buying their own in 1914. Elias would recover but they would never return to farm work again. To earn an income, Elias purchased a newspaper delivery route for The Kansas City Star. Roy and Walt were put to work delivering the newspapers which were not easy for the young boys. By now the older brothers had moved out so Elias's attention shifted onto them. It was not an easy time but it continued to hammer in the hard-working nature Walt would be known for.

Disney soon began attending the Benton Grammar School. His grades here were considered poor and his obsession with drawing did not win over favor with teachers. However, here Walt met another influence on his life, one that would eventually go on to become vital. Walter Pfeiffer was a student at Walt’s school and became his closest friend. The friendship would be one that seemed almost unbreakable. Pfeiffer’s effect on the young teen was more than just friendship. Pfeiffer came from a family of theatre fans and introduced Disney to the world of vaudeville and motion pictures. Walt was entranced by the bright world he never knew existed. He soon began spending more and more time at Pfeiffer’s home, soon he became spending more time there than his own. Walt’s eyes were now wide open to a wider world that dazzled him.

Elias by now began to drop his resistance to his son’s drawings though he still voiced his annoyance. By now, however, it was impossible to break Walt away from that world. His mind was set, his path had been chosen. Pushed by his friend, Walt was aiming for a future with cartoons. Soon however the great war would break out and even president Roosevelt pledged to do what was right for America. Walt faced questions he had not faced before. As Highschool dawned and as the war in Europe broke out. Walt would face his first cross roads and he would not let it conquer him. Instead, he would conquer it. A taste of early popularity was on the horizon.
 
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Chapter Three: I can go the Distance


Chapter Three: I can go the Distance

1914 and Walt began attending high school as the great war broke out in Europe. President Roosevelt made many pledged. The Disney’s got a radio the very same year as Elias liked the president. The family often gathered around that radio in the evening and listened to the president’s speech. Those speeches would go on to impact Walt as he grew in his teenage years. His grades were still mediocre as his obsession with art and cartoons continued to grow. He attended Saturday courses at the Kansas City Art Institute and also took a correspondence course in cartooning. His father could now see clear as day that his son could not be turned away from this burning passion. Any hope that age would sour the young boy to his hobbies. His father and Walt would have a turbulent Relationship from this point on. Walt was disappointed in his youngest son and turned his attention to Roy who seemed to be coming to a budding businessman. He was also dismayed by his youngest daughter who had under Walt’s guidance taken up an interest in writing.

This was the way it would be for the next two years. Walt continued to draw and dream of cartoons, he kept friends with Walter Pfeiffer and the pair often visited local theatres. It continued to shape the young Walt. His father continued to be opposed and apart from meal times, the family time at the radio. Walt and Elias seemed distant from each other though Walt would always continue to respect his father even if they did not agree on certain things. The world they knew was dramatically changed come 1916. America had stayed out of the great war but events had taken a shift. Reports of German atrocities in Belgium in 1914 and following the sinking of the passenger liner RMS Lusitania in 1915, America had come to see the central powers as the problem and the main aggressor. When Germany attempted to sway Mexico into war in 1916, it was enough for Roosevelt to drag America into the great war.

The great war impacted Disney’s as Elias finally sold the newspaper and moved them back to the city. He had been investing in the O-Zell Company of Chicago since 1912 and had moved to the city in 1917 to take an active role in its management. This freed the young Walt from the paper route and now he found himself open to new opportunities. In mid-1918, Disney attempted to join the army, pushed by his father. However, Walt was rejected, he planned to fake his way into the army but instead got an offer to run the school paper cartoon sections. It was not as big as joining the army but Walt saw it as a launching point for greater things. He became popular in the school for his cartoons and soon found a new business opportunity.

People began coming to Walt for Christmas cards, birthday cards, or notes to overseas soldiers. They were only high school students so the money given was little but Walt began to earn an income. The popularity of these cartoons and drawings solidified that it was a profitable job and that it could be a decent future. Soon Walt began to work with his younger sister. She penned the story; he drew the cartoons. It was extremely basic and Walt was still gathering skills but with night courses nearly every day now pained by the money he saved from selling his drawings Walt began to improve. Soon he saw a chance to try something new like a job as a war cartoonist opened up at the Chicago Tribune. It was a long shot but Walt applied and gained the job.

He was thrust into the working world of newspapers fast and hard. There was no waiting around. Guidelines and target shad to be hit or you were fired. There was no room for errors either. This sense of urgency and perfection would stick to Walt like glue and soon he began to churn out war cartoons for the newspaper. His father however was still not impressed as he knew the war would not last forever and the newspaper only needed someone while the war raged. The war was turning in their favor by 1918 and the end seemed near but Walt continued. Roosevelt who had won an unprecedented third time soon decided to go on a nationwide tour to empathize the need for a united Homefront to win the war.

By now Walt’s war cartoons had become incredibly popular and he was well known inside the business. Roosevelt visited different factories, schools, and newspapers. He happened to visit the place Walt worked. It was a brief meeting with the progressive president but the meeting would shape Walt’s life. It would cement him as a republican for years to come, a progressive one at that. The way he ran his studios years later would stem from this one meeting. However, the war could not last forever. It had to end. On the 11th November 1918, the guns slowed and came to a silent halt. The war was over and the worry that Elias had would now be tested. The fighting was over and there was no need for a war cartoonist anymore.


Walt also felt the worry. He wrote a letter to his sister but never sent it. he would not worry about a job, if he lost it he would find another way. That was the way he had grown up. His job would not be lost however even as America shifted away from the war. Despite not serving in the war, its times had shaped Walt. He had many lessons to learn but the man people would come to know in the later decades had been formed and shaped by the war years. Walt could have continued working at the Chicago tribune. They had no desire to fire him or let him go, his cartoons were incredibly popular. He could have kept on but something was burning inside him. Walt was getting bored; the newspaper cartoonist job was not challenging anymore. Soon Something would change. The animation Walt would come to love was now set to enter His life and set him on a new path. A path of innovation.
 
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Chapter Four: You Got a friend in me


Chapter Four: You Got a friend in me

By late 1918 Walt had the stable life he needed. His job was secure and his cartoons were well-liked. His father was placated that the years of drawing were not. He could have continued that way for another few years maybe for the rest of his life. Roy was still in the navy while Ruth Disney had due to Walt’s insistence become a writer though it was plagued with attacks from their father. Their socialist values taught to them by their father never left them but their life for the most part was a content one. While Roy was gone, Walt and ruth bonded further and to some, she became one of Walt’s closest friends. He acted as her financial advisor as well. Yet this status quo could not remain forever.

Elias Disney saw it coming first and began frequent arguments with his son. The arguments continued to boil over and nights were spent discussing something that had yet to even happen. Yet Walt’s sister Ruth and his mother flora also saw the fire within Walt. He was bored and the time would come when he would depart his cartoonist job. That fateful day would finally come in October 1919, not feeling challenged he quit his job and began to wonder. His father and mother by this point had left to live in Oregon where their older son Herbert resided. There would be no more communication between father and son for at least twenty years. Soon it was learned that would Roy would also not return to the city. He had contracted tuberculosis and had been discharged from the navy. Instead of returning, he relocated to Los Angeles and worked as a banker while recuperating in the hospital. Ruth soon departed as well to join her brother in Hollywood. Walt was left alone drifting yet he would not drift for too long.

He Finally returned to Kansas City. The place he would settle down for a while. He took up a small apartment and set out for work. With his qualifications and time working as a cartoonist it would not be too long before he found something. His skills were not yet fully at the level they would become so he became an apprentice artist at the Pesmen-Rubin Commercial Art Studio. The role here was nothing as challenging as Disney wanted. He drew commercial illustrations for advertising, theatre programs, and catalogs. It was to bide him over until he could find something else yet this job would yield more than it first seemed. It was here he would meet and become close friends with Ub Iwerks. It was the strongest friendship Walt had so far and the pair bonded over cartoons and drawing.


Ub Iwerks was born in the same year as Walt. 1901. However, Iwerks was older by nine months. He was born in kanas city. Unlike Walt, Iwerks had no major moves in his life and also suffered from a bad father. Iwerks’s father was 57 and working as a barber when Ub was born. It was known that he had fathered and several previous children and wives before Ub and his mother. History was to repeat itself as he abandoned them too, forcing the boy to drop out of school and work to support his mother. Ub would never talk about his father for he came to hate the man. Putting into perspective Walt’s situation with his father. Ub is known to have celebrated his father’s death.

The pair would continue together throughout 1919. Yet the situation at the Studio was anything but grand. Walt and Ub began to come up with ideas to save the struggling Studio that was doing worse than expected. Their requests and suggestions fell upon deaf ears and the Studio continued to tumble into the red. When an ax had to come down to save money it first fell on Walt as he was newer and then it came down on Ub would was still insisting on his changes. The changes would never be made and the company would go bankrupt in 1921. Walt and Ub were both without jobs yet the experience was vital and now a key figure in Walt’s future was an established friend. Too early yet ready to be daring. The pair strove to run their own business and established Iwerks-Disney Commercial Artists.

Iwerks-Disney Commercial Artists was doomed to fail however as the pair had not yet truly understood running a business. It made Walt promise that no business of his would fail again. With no money, the pair had to return to work again yet it was this need to work that would begin a chain reaction that would last throughout the 1920s and 1930s. While there was still hope for the company Walt left the business to earn money at the Kansas City Film Ad Company, run by A. V. Cauger. Yet alone Ubs could not run the company and it went under. He would soon join Walt at the company. The company produced commercials using the cut-out animation technique. The fascination that would last with Walt till his dying day was finally born here.

Walt who had loved drawing since his childhood now turned away from the activity as animation burst into his life. He however no longer doing things the way they should be done, his spirit for innovation and change was ignited. Like his younger days of cramming so much in, Walt began to do the same again. by day he would work at the company, and by night with a borrowed book on animation and a camera Walt began his first experiments with animation. They were crude tests but they were a start. It was here Walt met the brothers Fred and Hugh Harman. Both were younger than Walt with Fred born in 1902 and Hugh in 1903. Like Ub’s they supported Walt’s new ideas and would go on to be key figures in the growing circle of animators.

Walt soon concluded that cel animation was more promising than the cut-out method. Yet once again Walt could not persuade his boss that change was a good idea. No longer content with this Walt left the company along with Fred. Ub and Hugh would remain for now. Walt was now determined than ever to go his way. his past with his sister growing up would soon come useful as Disney opened a new business, Fred Harman. Their main client was the local Newman Theatre. Striving for content to turn into cartoons for the theatre Walt turned to the stories he loved as a kid. He soon began to study the recently made Aesop’s fables from Paul terry as inspiration. The result was Newman's Laugh-O-Grams. Modernized fairy tales turned into cartoons. The results were staggering.


In May 1921, the success of the "Laugh-O-Grams" led to the establishment of Laugh-O-Gram Studio. Now Hugh and Iwerks were able to join the new studio alongside Rudolf Ising who would also join. Ising would go on to become an important figure in his own right but his career started here with Disney. With a studio in his hands, animators by his side. Their Popularity was on the rise and so too was their dreams and idea. With Margaret J. Winkle on the horizon and the first 12 and a half minutes, the cartoon would leave them with more choices to make. The road they had set themselves upon could not seem any brighter.

 
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I knew that, sooner or later, this video would pop up.

However, given the days you would post updates, should I expect tomorrow and Tuesday to be another week of fun and fancy free? Pun seriously intended.
Ah the joys of Disney puns. The dream is an update every day but if not you can expect one every other day. The Resson for that is I have another timeline going at the same time. Updates will be as frequent as possible. So be prepared for more soon. Though i can tell you now, an update will come early tomorrow as I am having a boost in willpower recently.
 
Ah the joys of Disney puns. The dream is an update every day but if not you can expect one every other day. The reason for that is I have another timeline going at the same time. Updates will be as frequent as possible. So be prepared for more soon.
Fair point. You can't expect pure magic, even if you're trying to chronicle an alternate life of Walt Disney.
 
Fair point. You can't expect pure magic, even if you're trying to chronicle an alternate life of Walt Disney.
It helps for sure that Walt seemed to be very good at talking and for the most part research is light hearted. Apart from some tragic stuff like Ub Iwerks and his father. Luckily we are closing in fast on Oswald.
 
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