What if Donald Trump had fought in Vietnam?
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I agree with the death jokes being inapproripate but the drug related things in the war is completely true, you seem to be implying otherwise
I apologize for the bullet joke, it was in bad taste. As a vet myself, both line officer and then surgeon (used Vietnam GI bill for med school) I would never wish death or wounding on US troops. While I disagreed with many of the protestors back then, I did respect those who were willing to go to jail or otherwise accept the consequences of their stand. They were principled. Those who used BS like the heel spur, and a rent a doc to get out - no respect. Especially when they are some of those most willing to send others in to combat (this includes Cheney too as well as Trump). My attitude is if you aren't willing to take out the garbage don't ask anyone else to do it.
As far as drugs go, yes they were pretty rampant in Vietnam. Don't forget, however, that among the same age group back in the USA marijuana use or at least limited experimentation was widespread (and most of those folks did inhale). Heroin use, particularly smoked or snorted rather than injected was more common in Vietnam than in the USA - mostly due to the availability of cheap smack there. However, the amount of use was less than that in the movies and popular thinking, and very few troops smoked on/before patrol. Being high could get you killed.
As far as drugs go, yes they were pretty rampant in Vietnam. Don't forget, however, that among the same age group back in the USA marijuana use or at least limited experimentation was widespread (and most of those folks did inhale). Heroin use, particularly smoked or snorted rather than injected was more common in Vietnam than in the USA - mostly due to the availability of cheap smack there. However, the amount of use was less than that in the movies and popular thinking, and very few troops smoked on/before patrol. Being high could get you killed.
EMTSATX
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I knew my Dad and his Brother's. I knew the guys who came over. Like most Appalachian poor people we fought their wars. They all looked down at any one who used drugs in Vietnam. Talk to these guys before they are gone.
I understand the high feelings towards the President-Elect. As a former US Solider I have a hard time wishing on another.
I've lived in Appalachia my whole life, my mothers side has been living here longer than the country existed. I know of family members who came back from vietnam with drug issues as well as the broader issue of drug problems in the group in this area in addition I know people in my family died from stuff linked to the Vietnam War and Yea you are right on the poor Appalachian fighting the wars but you seem to be implying they didn't suffer from drug issues like other groups which is just wrong.
And yes again I agree with you on the trump jokes and find them extremely inappropriate and disrespectful
EMTSATX
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No, I was referring to comments about fragging officers.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. Obviously, I am going with my own families story line
I agree with CalBear on this issue. This is an open forum and may legally be scanned by DHS. You too can end up on the nofly list.
hmmm..maybe Trump and his patrol are snagged by the VC and hustled across the Chinese border for intensive brainwashing. The members of the patrol all say the same thing - "Donald is the most wonderful, brave human being I have ever met" he parlays his Medal of Honor in to international prominence and a TV career. The one day the code phrase "Make America Great Again" is whispered in his ear and he begins his campaign for the presidency. Throughout the campaign and after his election he continually praises the Russian leader, Vladimir Poutine (his mother was French-Canadian) and poo-poos any negative actions by Vladimir concerning manipulating the election, supporting anti-American factions in Europe, committing war crimes in Syria and the like. "He's a guy we can work with" Trump responds. No, that's really too far even for Ah with intervention of Skippy the ASB, even the unmentionable sea mammal looks rational compared to that.
I think that wishing death on people for their political opinions is the real problem.
Jeremy Corbyn endorsed the people who permanently mutilated my uncle, and I STILL don't wish harm on him.
The US Army was handing out Methamphetamines with the combat rations in Vietnam maybe a lot of soldiers smoked weed just to take the edge off the speed crash after a patrol.
Long-Range Reconnaissance Patrol (LRRP) had Dexedrine and the stuff they now call Ritalin. No Methamphetamines with the C-Rats, most those had cigarettes that dated to WWII.
But no problem getting Beer
I googled "methamphetamine use in vietnam war" the following were No1, No2 and No3 in the results
https://mcgtn.org/sheriff/meth-history
4th para 1st sentence
During World War II, amphetamines were widely used to keep the fighting men going (during the Vietnam War, American soldiers used more amphetamines than the rest of the world did during WWII
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistori...revalent_was_drug_use_during_the_vietnam_war/
Interesting link to a book at bottom of page
http://science.howstuffworks.com/meth2.htm
bottom of page 3
Serving Your Country -- on Speed
On average, every American serviceman in the Vietnam War consumed 30 to 40 amphetamine tablets each year of the conflict [source: Rasmussen].
Simply, methamphetamine aren't amphetamines. Similar, but not the same in effect or in capability for addiction, especial since this is pills rather than smoking it.
30-40 amphetamine tablets a year works out to less than one a week.
That's not addiction.