what if caesar wasn't assassinated

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Oooh a classic scenario, gotta love it!

Caesar had quite a few campaigns planned for when he was in charge, Parthia which everyone's already covered and a few into Eastern Europe by my recollection. Caesar probably would've done some reforms that the people ultimately wanted and that he felt were best for both him and the republic, the aforementioned breaking up of large estates, restraining the patricians in other ways, etc.
 
Based on what?

Reason. He has just concluded the conquest of Gaul, and a major civil war with Pompey. That plus natural attrition due to sickness, etc., would not leave you upwards of 200,000 to 300,000 men. The vast majority of those 'legions' were probably mere fragments. Is there any reason why I should believe otherwise?
 
Actually, after Sulla`s liberation of the Republic, the number of troops in Italy is considers to be 120.000. The Romans were very very good at rasing armys, and 200.000 at 40 legions sounds a bit off.
 
AFAIK, Caesar indeed planned to go to Dacia before avenging Crassus.
Dacia was a respectable power under the king Burebista, who had managed to control the greater part of the Wallachian and Pannonian plains, and most of the Carpathian area. He had supported Pompey, and was a menace to Roman power in the Balkans in his own right. I kinda recall there where something like 9 legions in Macedonia ready to attack Dacia.
A successful conquest of Dacia and surrounding areas would force campaigns to secure the mountainous areas if the Balkans in between it and other alrady Roman territory, that Ceasar would not lead personally, and probably some action on the Northern shored of the Black Sea against the Sarmatians, with the possible establishment of a closer Roman grip over the Cimmerian Bosphorus. It is possible, but very unlikely, that Caesar chooses then to cross the Caucasus and hit Parthia through this way, though it would a logistical nightmare. (but it would be really cool).
I tried to work out a TL (in Italian) long ago based on it, but it turned out rather implausible.
 
Lets say Caesar lives another 20 years and offically gets the Senate to reconize his marriage to Cleopatra as his second offical wife which he was trying to do before he was killed. Of course lets also assume he was fairly successful and takes Dacia and most of the Partian Empire and part of Germany as well toward the end of his life.

So where does that leave Caesarian at his father's death assuming of course he has been campaigning with his father for a number of years and lets say has gained decient support among the officer corps of the Army.

I guess the big question would be how skilled a general and politician Caesarian is. If he was nearly as skilled a politician as his mother and nearly as skilled a general as his father the Senate might not like it, but they might not have any choice but to support the half Roman son of Caesar as the first man in Rome.
 
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Well when it comes to the Roman Empire you see Julius Caesar would have told his generals to expand into Modern Day Germany then invade scythia but remember Caesar militarily was slowly getting out of a Civil War which battered the Empire Significantly casualty wise but Julius was Unofficially In Western History the First Roman Emperor. But the military was drilled unlike in the Early Wars of Emperors like Augustus Julius believed in Promotion by merit because if his Calvary Commander never betrayed him he would have had the most respected and elite military of the Roman Imperial Age.
 
AFAIK, Caesar indeed planned to go to Dacia before avenging Crassus.
Dacia was a respectable power under the king Burebista, who had managed to control the greater part of the Wallachian and Pannonian plains, and most of the Carpathian area. He had supported Pompey, and was a menace to Roman power in the Balkans in his own right. I kinda recall there where something like 9 legions in Macedonia ready to attack Dacia.
A successful conquest of Dacia and surrounding areas would force campaigns to secure the mountainous areas if the Balkans in between it and other alrady Roman territory, that Ceasar would not lead personally, and probably some action on the Northern shored of the Black Sea against the Sarmatians, with the possible establishment of a closer Roman grip over the Cimmerian Bosphorus. It is possible, but very unlikely, that Caesar chooses then to cross the Caucasus and hit Parthia through this way, though it would a logistical nightmare. (but it would be really cool). I in Turn have read Caesar's memoirs and there is Zero mention of a interest in the Invasion of Dacia because Caesar was a military Genius he knew that to start a Two Front War would cut The Republic back in the transition times to shreds so Julius would have Invaded ancient Britain to put the Celts to heel before acting upon any other military engagement. The people loved his policies it was just the Senate who saw him as a traitor meanwhile in modern history and In historical records of the time he is described as a hero to his people with very few enemies surely I'm not saying he was a saint but the innovation he created survives to this day generals Patton Napoleon Lee and Jackson Have Referenced Caesar in a great many documents
 
Lets say Caesar lives another 20 years and offically gets the Senate to reconize his marriage to Cleopatra as his second offical wife which he was trying to do before he was killed. Of course lets also assume he was fairly successful and takes Dacia and most of the Partian Empire and part of Germany as well toward the end of his life.

So where does that leave Caesarian at his father's death assuming of course he has been campaigning with his father for a number of years and lets say has gained decient support among the officer corps of the Army.

I guess the big question would be how skilled a general and politician Caesarian is. If he was nearly as skilled a politician as his mother and nearly as skilled a general as his father the Senate might not like it, but they might not have any choice but to support the half Roman son of Caesar as the first man in Rome. You see Marriages never mattered to the Senate until after Caesars assassination not until the disasterious reign of Nero did marriage matter what direction Rome was headed
 
Reason. He has just concluded the conquest of Gaul, and a major civil war with Pompey. That plus natural attrition due to sickness, etc., would not leave you upwards of 200,000 to 300,000 men. The vast majority of those 'legions' were probably mere fragments. Is there any reason why I should believe otherwise? Well you see Julius never mentioned anything about Invasion out east because I have read his memoirs cover to cover and there's zero mention of a war in eastern Europe or German speaking lower countries
 
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