There had been fighting long before that. There was the uprising of 1936, in response to the growing Israeli presence in the country .
Again same reason, an absolute refusal to compromise, something that would not happen in the POD as the Jews would not look so weak.
and the increasingly strict rules the Arabs lived under compared to the Israelis. For example, the Israelis were allowed to form their own militia and carry firearms openly, while it was a crime punishable by death for an Arab to carry an heirloom dagger..
Not true many Jews were arrested for carrying weapons, imprisoned etc
The Germans had a little something called WW2 and the Holocaust to atone for. Which, again, is something the Europeans did .
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and the Palestinians wound up paying the bill for, despite them not having a hand in it at all. If the Europeans were so bleeding heart about the Jews, why didn't any of them offer their lands as a new homeland for the Holocaust survivors? Why is it the Palestinian who is forced to give up his ancestral lands to make amends for something he didn't do?.
A strawman argument, check the dates the mandate for creating a Jewish homeland was created long before the Holocaust. Israel is not payment for the Holocaust.
You mean that big chunk of land we call 'Jordan'? Yeah, what a real privilege, being allowed to keep your land. Maybe the Pals and Jordanians can commiserate over their loss while they generously give their lands away to the European Jews, who've never been to this land for millennia.
The Israeli politicians had several opinions on this. Some radicals wanted to claim it all as "rightful Israeli land", and kick out the Jordanians too so the whole farce is applied to other Arabs. Others just wanted to dump the Palestinians there in reservations and the like, never mind they'd be tossed out of ancestral homes and places they've been living in for generations..
We are talking mandate here. Almost all of it was given probably illegally as far as the mandate is concerned to the Arabs. By the way under the Turks, Palestine did not exist, a Palestinian then meant a Jew, it still did until very modern times. Most non-Jewish Arabs in the area considered themselves Egyptians, Southern Syrians, etc.
For all its worth in biblical times much of Israel then was in Jordan.
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The whole point is, Germany's losses were the result of Germany's actions, and they happened after WW2, when they were too exhausted and tired to object and just wanted to rebuild. The Palestinians had every choice and issue forced on them, and when they resisted, people made them out to be the bad guys. The 1936 Revolt failed, so they tried the 1948 War. That failed, so they continued to be resentful and angry over choices they never made but were instead forced upon them..
They had choices and clearly, the Palestinians picked wrong. I think morally not just legally too but I am sure you will not agree with me there.
The point is from the point of view of this POD because Israel looked so weak, the Palestinians thought that they could win militarily.
Please stop lumping in Jordan with Palestine. It just shows ignorance of the situation on the ground. And Jordan is mostly desert, except for Irbid, Amman, and Kerak..
Until they went to war with Israel in 1967, they had a prime agricultural region in the West Bank.
Calling the West Bank and Gaza "plum areas" is insulting. Gaza is one of the most heavily populated areas in the world, almost two million people stuck in a two-by-one kilometer area, and they have no control over their borders or their harbors. Gaza was effectively isolated and dependent on Israel's goodwill, and this was before Israel and Gaza got into a prolonged cold/hot war for the past decade now. The main reason Israel wants to be rid of Gaza is because it's a demographics time bomb; ever since they conquered it in 1967, they never really managed to get it under their yoke, and they never could Hebrew-ify it because the Palestinians there breed like rabbits. They couldn't get enough settlers there, and if they keep it they'll end up buried up to their armpits in Arabs, which is severely damage the status and identity of the Israeli state..
While the West Bank is better off, it's still suffering from chunks of it being shaved off for settlements, plus a lot of the historically and religiously important areas are a bureaucratic battleground between Arab and Israeli authorities to claim as much of the Holy Land as possible. And the Israelis have by far the bigger and better budget..
This is true now but not when it was taken by the Egyptian and Jordan forces, then it was the richest part of the country, it is like they took from the USA the richest regions and left the US with the poor areas,
Another point to consider is that when Israel controlled the Gaza it was poor but it was economically blooming.
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The problem is not what Israel has done in these areas but what the Palestinians have done.
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Because by doing so, they break the very foundation of Israel. By accepting and assimilating the Arabs, Israel goes from "Hebrew State" to "Arab-Hebrew Dual Ethnic State". And to top it off, the Arabs breed fast, so in a decade or so, it'll end up flipping over to being a Jewish minority in an Arab majority state - and into an Arab state. The Arabs will win simply by virtue of the ballot box, rendering the Israelis a minority in their own state - and that's something they created Israel to avoid.
Maybe but many countries have split because of ethnic or religious differences eg India and Pakistan, Czechoslovakia, Sweden and Norway, etc. Nothing wrong with it as such. In fact, that was the plan in the mandate the Palestinian rejected.
I can't blame Israel for the shitty neighborhood, nor for the governments overseeing the camps. However, when the Palestinian living in said camps under said regimes is stopped for the 20th time for a minor suspicion by the cops who clearly don't like him and don't want him there, the mystique of a Palestinian homeland is going to be much more alluring. And by dwelling on the loss - which was forced on their parents and grandparents, by the way - they get more and more bitter about the forced handover of Palestinian territory to foreigners.
The PLO got into power because it was the only organization with any sense of organization or presence in the Palestinian territories, and it was the official representative of the Palestinians. Over time, however, it proved unable to stand up for Palestinian rights, as it was either forced to accept all Israeli demands on security and gain little back, or fight the Israeli government and get bitch-slapped down. Inevitably, the PLO is tainted as it's seen as a collaborator, and a more radical regime becomes the popular option.
Staying between other Arabs who had their own issues and weren't pleased with having to put up with them (introducing a new ethnic group to a system teeming with them doesn't improve stability), having no prospects, no choices, and having to swallow every bullshit others force on them. Like how Trump's "Deal of the Century" basically means the Pals have to eat shit and give up any claim to Jerusalem, their historic and religious ancestral capital.
Remember when Mahmoud Abbas went on Palestinian TV and started insulting Trump in what has to be the least professional action and most obvious public breakdown? It's because he knows he got fucked, hard and proper. For years, decades even, the PLO tried to show itself as "the moderate option", that working with the USA and Israel will bear fruit - only for Trump, in the most obvious Israel-pandering act possible, declares Jerusalem the sole capital of Israel, an act that previous US Presidents have been very reluctant to make to avoid angering the Arabs, and then offers the Palestinians a token amount to shut up and take it like a good bitch. Prince Mohammed Bin Salman was also recently revealed to have offered Abbas US$25M to take the deal. An act which would have destroyed any remaining credibility or legitimacy for the PLO. Abbas knows he got fucked hard, and if he accepted the cash, he would have destroyed himself as a politician. He had the rug pulled out from under him, and his years of work as the 'moderate voice' have been undone in an instant. No wonder the man's mad; he's practically desperate at this point.
It's shit like this that pisses off the Palestinians. Someone else does shit and forces them to swallow it.
Shit happens but often we create the shit we live in, the example you quote is of the Germans who elected Hitler and got shit, afterwards built themselves up and created a wonderful society. Now the society the Palestinians is shit see (a) above. It has not picked itself up and is now in almost any terms economic, social rights, democratic, etc shit.
Now let us do a thought experiment say the situation was reversed and the Jews had taken Gaza and West Bank and little else and had full access to Egypt and Jordan economically, the Arabs had what the Jews now which part do you honestly believe would be richer and which parts would people live better in.