What if? Beer Hall Putsch was successful?
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Impossible. The Nazis didn't even have a majority in Munich, let alone Bavaria, or any path to power in Germany as a whole. They were quite fringe still and easily dispersed "with a whiff of grapeshot".
I've thought of this idea as well.
Hitler most likely gets coup'd within the year via a military take over.
No. The man took control of a Beerhall, announced that the Bavarian and German governments were overthrown and then got a brutal lesson in reality. It would be a better question to ask what would have happened if the bullet that killed the man next to him had killed Hitler instead?
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Like a termite flying into a blast furnace
This.
IMHO, Adolf the Aryan was a delusional character of epic magnitude. Whatever he thought/felt had to be the natural order of the Universe.
I give three or four days, max, to enjoy his "power", before Kahr managed to kill the paperhanging sonuvabritch.
Hitler may have changed his tactics, temporarily, after getting out of Landsberg, but he was always a fantasist.
Look at his dealings with rejection from the art school in Vienna. Look at his life on the bum, before the war. Look at his plotting for Germania with Speer with the Heer in retreat, or his moving around non-existent divisions while the Soviets were knocking on the door of the fuhrerbunker.
It wasn't Dr. Morell's Little Pills, it was his nature.
This.
IMHO, Adolf the Aryan was a delusional character of epic magnitude. Whatever he thought/felt had to be the natural order of the Universe.
I give three or four days, max, to enjoy his "power", before Kahr managed to kill the paperhanging sonuvabritch.
Hitler may have changed his tactics, temporarily, after getting out of Landsberg, but he was always a fantasist.
Look at his dealings with rejection from the art school in Vienna. Look at his life on the bum, before the war. Look at his plotting for Germania with Speer with the Heer in retreat, or his moving around non-existent divisions while the Soviets were knocking on the door of the fuhrerbunker.
It wasn't Dr. Morell's Little Pills, it was his nature.
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The idea of the Beerhall-Putsch was to do somehting alike as Mussolini, ... only that Mussolini HAD a lot more people actually marching into the direction of Rome.
Beside the very special Munich ... atmospere Hitler was a 'who ???' if not a joke for the rest of germany ... also andf especially for many of the other nationalists at that time, who would never have followed him.
Don't forget : the Kapp-Putsch has 'just' miserably failed (kk, 2 years ago, but still on the political screen).
Beside the very special Munich ... atmospere Hitler was a 'who ???' if not a joke for the rest of germany ... also andf especially for many of the other nationalists at that time, who would never have followed him.
Don't forget : the Kapp-Putsch has 'just' miserably failed (kk, 2 years ago, but still on the political screen).
This is difficult. Hitler first needs to take control of Munich, then Bavaria, then march on Berlin, take control of the government there and get the rest of the nation to accept it.
The idea was to emulate Mussolini's March on Rome, but the conditions that lead to Mussolini's success in Italy was very different than in Germany. Mussolini was already a member of the Italian parliament as part of a national bloc that was the third largest vote winner, the Fascists were a far larger party all over Italy as opposed to the Nazis who were a regional Bavarian party. And the Italian king lacked the guts to oppose Mussolini and legitimized his rule by making him prime minister.
Hitler's leadership of the far right in Weimar Germany was non-existent. He was not one of the national leaders, and even in Bavaria he was excluded from leadership. The military was likely to oppose him, and in the event of a governmental collapse were more likely to seize power themselves than let Hitler do it. Furthermore, unlike King Victor Emmanuel, German President Friedrich Ebert was going to strongly oppose any putsch attempt.
There needs to be many changes for any realistic scenario where Hitler is able to take power. Even for a right wing coup in general to happen, hyperinflation needs to have gotten worse. November 1923 was the crisis point. The elements of the solution to Germany's inflation was already being assembled in November 1923 by the new currency commissioner Hjalmar Schacht. Once the Rentenmark was introduced and Schacht became head of the central bank, stabilty was restored and the crisis in Germany was ending.
I think any element of a successful right wing coup, never mind Hitler taking power, would be for this not to happen and Germany enter chaos. But Hitler needs to be in a very different position than he was in 1923 to be the one to take advantage of it and gain power then.
The idea was to emulate Mussolini's March on Rome, but the conditions that lead to Mussolini's success in Italy was very different than in Germany. Mussolini was already a member of the Italian parliament as part of a national bloc that was the third largest vote winner, the Fascists were a far larger party all over Italy as opposed to the Nazis who were a regional Bavarian party. And the Italian king lacked the guts to oppose Mussolini and legitimized his rule by making him prime minister.
Hitler's leadership of the far right in Weimar Germany was non-existent. He was not one of the national leaders, and even in Bavaria he was excluded from leadership. The military was likely to oppose him, and in the event of a governmental collapse were more likely to seize power themselves than let Hitler do it. Furthermore, unlike King Victor Emmanuel, German President Friedrich Ebert was going to strongly oppose any putsch attempt.
There needs to be many changes for any realistic scenario where Hitler is able to take power. Even for a right wing coup in general to happen, hyperinflation needs to have gotten worse. November 1923 was the crisis point. The elements of the solution to Germany's inflation was already being assembled in November 1923 by the new currency commissioner Hjalmar Schacht. Once the Rentenmark was introduced and Schacht became head of the central bank, stabilty was restored and the crisis in Germany was ending.
I think any element of a successful right wing coup, never mind Hitler taking power, would be for this not to happen and Germany enter chaos. But Hitler needs to be in a very different position than he was in 1923 to be the one to take advantage of it and gain power then.