Presumably the extermination of millions of people would have had some impact before 1991.
What if Baltic states, Ukraine and Moldova were pro-russia countries?
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Presumably the extermination of millions of people would have had some impact before 1991.
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No, it's not actually that easy to commit genocide.
Why are you engaging in censorship? Is there some sort of rule against threads involving Russia and its neighbors?
(Edit: Though now that I'm looking at OP's join date, this thread is indeed starting to seem rather suspect.)
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RousseauX
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Why?
The most pro-Russian countries in the former Soviet Union, like Kazakhstan, literally expelled/is expelling millions of ethnic Russians in the 90s-2000s. Kazakhstan went into independence with like a 45% Slavic population and today it's down to maybe half that much and are de facto second class citizens.
Then obviously what happens come Polish independence (if it happens at all) is you get a wave of counter ethnic expulsion before they have any chance of declaring counter independence.
I more mean East Poland. Just like East Ukraine has like 95% Russians but total Ukraine 17,3%
the east-poland that is now belarus you mean?
this stuff it utter propaganda crap, made up crap designed to produce legit reasons to invade. there never were that high amount of russians in poland, the max historic was 100k, and that was centuries ago, now it is just 13k
and neither are there 95% russians in east-ukraine. it would be nice if you used actual facts instead of kremlin warmonger propaganda numbers.
ponyat tovarich?
the poles did the same, and wasn't a displacement, ethnic cleansing & genocide are better names considering the amount of germans that died in the process.
Brutally? Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!
Yeah..... Sure....
It was practically a bloodless event.
If you want Brutal then lolk up the Kiev Regime Sponsored "Odessa Massacre" and the "Friendship Buses" sent tp the East who kicked off the Current Hostilities because the Ukrainean Army would not attack unarmed Eastern Protestors and even Defected or Deserted rather than harm fellow country men, family and friends.
RousseauX
Donor
Is that why the Russians had to deploy heavy artillery and Chechen mercenaries to fight the ukrainian army?
I mean, Ukraine right now is experiencing some of the heaviest artillery bombardments since 1945, not to mention real, actual armored warfare. It's kinda hard to buy the idea that Russia needs to deploy those against guys who were bussed in from Kiev.
Even pro-europe country for example Estonia, east has 19% estonians and 71% russians. Those are real facts. I have lived in many countries and areas. I know very well.
So if pro-europe country has areas that has more russians than their own people then pro-russians % is even higher.
You never lived in Soviet Union i did.
Things have changes since what he describes happened, quite dramatically as you can imagine. Ukraine levelled Donetsk as thoroughly as Russia levelled Grozny back in the day. It's not the same rebels and not the same Ukrainan army anymore. It's a real war now.
RousseauX
Donor
Estonian Russians have very little interest in joining Russia because right now they have their neat schengen passports and since they are part of the EU they get a lot of opportunities to do money laundering. If the Russian Republic of Estonia happens then there's a pretty good chance they lose those and frankly most people care more about not being poor than joining russia.
do not know where you get these crazy propaganda values from
but currently Estonia is 69,1% Estonian, 25,3% russian
in 1934 it were only 8,2% so most of russians are recent migrants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Estonia
Because Estonia is already in EU. But if there were other political choices in 1992 then it would be different and never joined Eu which means they don´t know nothing about opporunities
You still don´t know HOW TO READ. I SAID EAST, NOT A WHOLE COUNTRY.
You clearly NEVER EVER LIVED IN THOSE COUNTRIES. I had also lived in Soviet Union, Estonia, Ukraine, Germany, France. You clearly haven´t seen life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida-Viru_County
72.8% of the population were Russians, 19.5% were Estonians, 2.3% were Ukrainians, 2.2% were Belarusians and 0.9% were Finns.
And Estonia is Pro-Europe country. Same stuff about cities and Ukraine and other countries.
Did you see protest 1991? Russians in Tallinn wanted Estonia to stay in Soviet Union. Estonia got independence because there were more Estonians than Russians. If Russia sent more Estonians out and more Russians in then a whole history would be different.
in other words you pick a location very very tiny with just enough russians, and use that as an excuse to pull your pro-russian stuff. it just reminds me alittle too much of the tricks used by the germans around sudentenland.
and that russia now tries in the donbass.
my current girlfriend is stuck in the Crimea (UA!),so i am very much aware of the nature of the things russia does.
and really no need to start insulting.