What if Austro-German Anschluss in the “Golden Twenties” of Weimar, summer 1929?

raharris1973

Gone Fishin'
With a divergence in 1928, incumbent Austrian President Michael Hainisch accepts the initiative of the major parties in Austria to amend the Constitution to permit him to run for a third term.

The esteemed, non-partisan figure is renominated, runs for reelection and wins another term to the Austrian Presidency. Notably, he is a Pan-Germanist.

In the first part of 1929 in Austria, from January to May, political tension and impasse between the Christian Socials on the right and the Social Democrats on the left, who feel the state bureaucracy and non-Socialist parties and justice system are deliberately tolerating Heimwehr rightist violence and denying workers and socialists the protection of the state through selective acquittals and non-prosecution, leads to the appointment of Ernst Streeruwitz, a member of the industrialist wing of the Christian Social Party, lacking the rhetorical fire and political notoriety and divisiveness of other Christian Socials like "The Prelate without Mercy" Ignaz Siepel or rising figure Engelbert Dolfuss, on May 4th, 1929.

Streeruwitz, unusually for a Christian Social, was pan-Germanist in sympathy rather than committed to Austrian independence – he was in fact Bohemian born. This puts him in line with President Hainisch's pan-Germanist views. Both men were technocrats as well. Both shared a certain despair over partisan divisiveness in Austrian politics, rural versus Viennese polarization, and violent paramilitarism, most of all, by the Heimwehr.

From the vantage point of spring and summer 1929, to these two men, despite the presence of rightist and leftist paramilitaries in Germany and outbursts there, including the Nazis led by the Austrian-born Hitler that Austrian governments had gladly denationalized post his imprisonment, the situation of the German Republic looks in every way better than the situation of the Austrian Republic.

The German Republic at this time is enjoying a stable currency, economic growth, and enjoying investment from American loans.

While dealing with day-to-day administrative challenges and law and order, both men decide in concert to reach out to Germany for the closest possible economic and political association or federation with Austria.

They both work channels of communication with Weimar German Foreign Minister Stresemann, Weimar Chancellor Muller, and eventually Weimar President Hindenburg, about rapidly tightening Austro-German links.

For a variety of domestic and international reasons, the chief Austrian and German leaders come quickly to the conclusion that Austro-German federation is a good short-term goal in 1929. The Austrians seeing it as a lifeboat, the Germans as a feather in their cap, and a patriotic "feel good" maneuver.

With discussions and agreement on basic principles, Stresemann, Muller, Steeruwitz, Hainisch, and Hindenburg and their staffs over June and July rapidly sort through specific operational proposals for customs and postal unions, currency union, parliamentary union, etc., and soon come to the conclusion that that most rewarding approach with the fewest drawbacks is to secure legislative votes in the Austrian legislature and Reichstag moving to full currency, economic, and political union and incorporation of Austria into the federal structures of the German Republic as constituted.

Again, Stresemann, and the others are convinced that international objections over Germany growing too large, even if by peaceful means, and violating the word of the Versailles Treaty, are not that high risk. Among the reasons are the precedent of treaties moving beyond Versailles, with the Locarno Pact, which guaranteed Germany's western borders and vice versa, but did not clarify Germany's eastern borders. Britain and Italy's earlier non-support of the Franco-Belgian Ruhr occupation and the latter powers' withdrawal. And finally, and most recently, the Kellogg-Briand Pact, outlawing war as a means of settling international disputes of 1928, going officially into effect in July 1929. With Briand now French Premier, it would be extremely embarrassing for Briand to have France be the first power to disrupt his own handiwork by going to war against Germany, or threatening it, over a democratically decided Austro-German union. The risk of Italian military intervention is considered negligible because of decent relations with Italy. The remaining blowback that Stresemann and German and Austrian leaders do weigh in serious consideration is not military responses, but economic retaliation. However, in the summer of 1929, with no inkling of the October US stock market crash ahead, and strong growth in Germany, Germany feels in a strong position and not vulnerable to French economic blackmail, at worst, more friction in negotiations on reparations terms could occur. The Germans do not anticipate Britain or America would deliberately join France in applying economic retaliation in response to German-Austrian unity measures either, since they have not been aligned to France on reparations policy for most of the decade, and President Hoover is regarded as a friend by Stresemann.

Enabling legislation is put forward and opened up for debate in special sessions of German and Austrian respective legislatures starting 1 August, 1929.

Implementing arrangements are made that culminate with the absorption of the Austrian Republic as a state with full federal rights within the Weimar German Republic by 20 September, 1929, with full proportional representation in the Reichstag, its armed forces and internal security forces and bureaucracy integrated at current rank, except for at the apex of services and agencies into the German federal services and bureaucracies, with a substantial state level government, bureaucracy, and police force maintained.

Despite any alarm or anger felt in Paris, or Rome, or Prague, or possibly Belgrade or Budapest, no one is in a great position to sabotage or effectively reverse the decision by the executive and legislative branches on Austro-German "Anschluss" that is, to all appearances, quite popular. For the moment, Germany (mostly), and Austria can self-fund the transition and current repayment obligations, and Anglo-American financial markets, still highly optimistic in this long summer, are not spooked for any more than a few days by political controversy away from German government paper.

Austro-German integration becomes formal with the September 20th absorption and the resignation of Hainisch and Steeruwitz from their positions and the raising of the Weimar Republican flag across the state of Austria.

De facto administrative and bureaucratic integration takes longer, extending into 1930. Austrians make cross-state alignments with national parties although state particularist interests also persist. Social Democrats and Communists feel palpably relieved and line up behind the national German parties. Austrian Nazis defer to Hitler's German party easily. Classical liberals align with similarly minded people in the rest of Germany. The centrist to rightist majority politicized Catholic vote in Austria is a bit more fragmented. The moderate, mushy middle is open to the appeals, especially initially, of the German wide Catholic Centre Party, and Zentrum sees Austria as a fantastic potential vote bank for its usual demographic supporters. But some remain harder line Austrian particularist, extreme clericalist, anti-semitic, Fascistic, or other stripes, and refuse to participate in Zentrum.

Those latter groups are in the near term most sore about union with Germany, resentful of being under an SDP Chancellor in particular, and seek Italian aid, and continue some paramilitary agitation. Of course Nazi Brownshirts continue anti-Republican paramilitary agitation as well, and Hitler visits, but they have no time for separatism, and are all in on national unity.
The Italians won't really invest much in the separatist paramilitaries, except for a source of information and leverage.

The Czechs and Yugoslavs are somewhat disturbed by the Anschluss, but from their perspective, Anschluss is actually only the *second-worst* fear of theirs coming true, or in 1929, their third-worst. With their eyes fixed on the rear view mirror, both Prague and Belgrade feared Habsburg restoration in either Vienna or Budapest most of all, above any German expansion. After that, they may have feared Bolshevik/Communist agitation, or in the case of the Yugoslavs, Italian -aggression, linked with national separatist agitation. German eastward expansion would have been more a tertiary concern for both.

That concern would start to rise for the Czechoslovakians in time however.

Globally, despite subtle butterfly effects gradually spreading, I do not see the Austro-German Anschluss stopping the Wall Street stock market crash of October 1929, nor the initially slow but steady deflation and tightening of American credit availability, followed by the rise in bank and business failures in 1930, accelerating into 1931 and 1932, plunging the USA into the Great Depression.

Germany, because of its greater dependence on American credit, will be exposed to contagion from the American downturn sooner than its European neighbors in Britain, France, and Italy, and, like OTL, President Hindenburg will likely appoint the technocratic Catholic Centre politician, Heinrich Bruning to manage the economic austerity and adjustment program.

Ironically, in Austria, the appointment of the conservative Catholic Bruning as German Chancellor will considerably cool the ardor of many in the rural, ultra-Catholic, right-wing minority who had misgivings about union with the Weimar Republic.

But, like in other areas of Germany, as economic conditions deteriorate, far-left and far-right groups like Communists and Nazis will get increased support (in Vienna & factory towns, and small towns and countryside respectively).

Still, it might be that when there are 1930 and 1932 Reichstag and Presidential elections, that Austria overall has voting patterns that are disproportionately non-Nazi leaning, like most Catholic majority areas of Germany, including Rhineland and Bavaria.

Whether this makes a decisive difference in whether Hitler comes to power or not, I am not prepared to judge all by myself.

Either possibility, an altered German electorate and subtly altered political elite and situation, due to the early inclusion of Austria, averting Hitler's rise to power, or, Hitler rising to power on schedule, but with Austria part of his Third Reich from the very beginning, would be very interesting to explore.

If the second scenario were to unfold, I imagine the effects on the Danubian and Czech situation would be ambiguous. On the one hand, Sudeten German ambition and radicalism would be activated earlier, and Czechoslovakia would be "surrounded" on three sides earlier and feeling quite vulnerable. With Hitler in power, and such trends, the old fears of Habsburg restoration would soon be replaced by fear of German aggression. On the other hand. Germany would have a lot of rearming yet to do before it could bluff any neighbors convincingly, and Czechoslovakia would have more warning time that it needs to develop and build its defenses on a nearly 360 degree axis.

Your thoughts?
 

raharris1973

Gone Fishin'
Dramatis Personae –

Michael Hainisch, President of the First Austrian Republic, 9 December 1920 – 10 December 1928 (OTL)

Ernst Steeruwitz, Chancellor of the First Austrian Republic, 4 May 1929 – 26 September 1929 (OTL)

Paul Von Hindenburg, President of Germany, 12 May 1925 – 2 August 1934 (OTL)

Hermann Muller, Chancellor of Germany, 28 June 1928 – 27 March 1930 (OTL)

Gustav Stresseman, German Minister of Foreign Affairs, 13 August 1923 – 3 October 1929
 

raharris1973

Gone Fishin'
Either possibility, an altered German electorate and subtly altered political elite and situation, due to the early inclusion of Austria, averting Hitler's rise to power, or, Hitler rising to power on schedule, but with Austria part of his Third Reich from the very beginning, would be very interesting to explore.


I will consider the possibilities of the first path for a 1929 Austro-German Anschluss, rather than the second path, for right now. That is, I'll project a scenario where the "knock-on" effects, or what you might call "butterfly effect" on German internal politics averts the rise of Hitler's Nazi dictatorship.

The autumn 1929 Austro-German union has an electric effect on the politics of Germany and Austria, as well as on Europe as whole. France, Belgium, Italy, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Hungary all protest the rashness of the German action in violation Versailles Treaty terms and the terms of international loans both countries have been given. However, the this does not dampen the defiant enthusiasm for the move in Germany and Austria, which sees large public demonstrations, parties, festivals, and banquets in favor. However, the Austro-German form of defiance is more joyous and celebratory than militant or confrontational in the gently tempering end of summer going into autumn weather of late September, morphing into Oktoberfest season on both sides of the border and wine festivals. The Edelweiss and Tyrolean cap spreads as popular fashion accessory far northward into Germany while the celebrations are going on.

Some worry about international complaints, but those most worried about physical confrontation or eager for one in Germany or Austria are proved to be wrong as over the days and weeks post-unification it becomes apparent that neighboring states' complaints will be limited to diplomatic and legal protests and being more difficult or cool at international conferences or negotiations, without talk, and most importantly no actions, towards mobilizing troops or invasions to separate Austria and Germany.

The demonstrated public enthusiasm for unification, giving a short-term boost in esteem to the local Austrian leaders who pulled it off and especially the German Chancellor Muller and President Hindenburg, and Stresemann on his deathbed (he dies on October 1st), who is given a hero's funeral, does strengthen the instinctive reaction in America and Britain that whatever technical diplomatic impropriety there may have been in the swift Austro-German union, it clearly represents the will of their peoples, and being seen to obstruct this fait accompli would do far more harm than letting pass with minimal further friction and moving on.

The blase, complacent, and unalarmed reaction in the Anglosphere only weakens the nerve of any proponents of severe action, physical or non-physical, in Paris or Rome, and the Central European and Balkan states with concerns take their cues from Paris. However, politically, this event occurring and catching Briand flat-footed accelerates the fall of his Premiership by a few weeks and accelerates the appointment of Andre Tardieu in his place. In Italy, Mussolini and the Fascist government, react by increasing their police and overall bureaucratic presence and visibility in Trentino, and enforcing greater central oversight over local communities in the region, especially German-speaking ones, and pushing harder on cultural "Italianization" of local inhabitants.

As Austria is absorbed administratively and economically into Germany, with its local currency the Schilling converted at a fixed rate to the still relatively stable Rentenmark over October and November 1929, the economic consequences for Austria are mostly positive relative to OTL and non-detrimental for the rest of Weimar Germany, with automotive and rail-supported tourism reaching a 1920s peak over the Oktoberfest and winter 1929-1930 holidays and ski season.
 

raharris1973

Gone Fishin'
This positivity means quite a bit of distraction until a few months into 1930 from the Wall Street Crash in America, and its implication for rising American bank failures, loan recalls, and the drying up of new American loans for Europe and panicked American investors liquidation of stocks, bonds, and business assets for real estate (briefly) and gold.

Another consequence of Austro-German unification pursued on a fast-track without the blessing of the powers, is that the Tardieu government feels it would be political poison to push for acceptance and ratification of the restructuring and lightening of German reparations, and most of all, the provision accelerating Allied withdrawal from the Rhineland from 1935 to 1930. French nationalists just would not be persuaded to swallow that bitter pill right after Germany pulled the fait accompli of enlarging itself with the absorption of Austria.

On the one-hand, physically ailing Chancellor Muller can't claim reduced reparations or early evacuation of the Rhineland as a "win" by the beginning of 1930, on the other hand, the German right does not have their, ultimately abortive, campaign to hold a referendum against accepting the Young Plan as an opportunity for political organizing in 1929-30.

The result of all this is that despite the unification boost, Germany and Austria is facing the beginnings of a fiscal/economic hangover after New Years 1930 from Trans-Atlantic trade affects, the end of American credit, reduced import demand from America and other overseas markets that is decreasing employment numbers and raising welfare costs, and the commitments Muller and the Social Democrats want to make, and that all the parties to his right do not want to make or pay tax for.

This leads Hindenburg to replace Muller with Bruning of the Catholic Centre Party by no later than April or May 1930 [OTL it was March 1930]. The German-wide Catholic Centre Party does a lot of bridge-building in the new Austrian provinces/districts, and many center-right to right-leaning politicians in Austria sign on to the Party, especially in rural and small-town Austria and the Vienna suburbs. The effect is to expand the overall Catholic Center/Zentrum constituency in unified Germany and pull the Party a bit more to the right.

From the time of his takeover, Chancellor Bruning moves toward fiscal austerity and rolling back funding for SDP supported relief programs, with Hindenburg usually supporting them by Presidential decree when the Reichstag will not support them.

The austerity is unpopular, but some populations take them with more equanimity than others. Non-Viennese Austrians for example, are relatively accepting. The broadly democratic Weimar Constitution accepting Parties as a group lose vote share with the Nazis and Communists gaining vote-share in the all-Germany (including Austria) Reichstag elections of September 1930, but the proportion of seats gained by Nazis and Communists is not as high as in OTL's October elections. Of the Weimar coalition, the Social Democrats are the biggest losers, out of failing to keep their promises to constituents, while the Centre Party nearly holds its position by making up for losses to more right-leaning parties Germany wide with new gains with Austria's incorporated voters. The Social Democrats "make back" some of their losses with the working-class districts of Vienna, but it does not deliver nearly as many seats for them. The bottom-line is the Nazis and Communists are little bit weaker going into 1931 in a parliamentary sense, although rising forces there and on the streets.

The American Great Depression, and global contagion from it, worsens over 1931 and 1932. Like OTL, the powers in 1931 agree to the Hoover Moratorium on reparations. By then, in American minds especially, but even European minds, the pace of economic change has been fast enough that lingering retaliation and hurt feelings in France and Italy over Austro-German unification is very much yesterday's news.
 

raharris1973

Gone Fishin'
The 1932 March-April Presidential election in Germany shakes out as a contest between Hitler and Hindenburg, with Hindenburg reluctantly accepting the great bulk of his support from the Weimar coalition parties and all Parties to the left except the Communists, and them resignedly supporting him, while Hitler garners Nazi and far-right support. Hindenburg wins a convincing majority (which he did in OTL, it's a bit more in this TL. Although unification with Austria was never at the top of his personal list along with increasing the Catholic percentage of the population, he can claim it as a feather in his cap, and a sign of Germany standing up and on the rise. More than that, the Austrian voting districts provide far more votes proportionately for Weimar coalition parties than for Nazis or Communists.

Bruning is retained as Chancellor for longer, despite Hindenburg's occasional musings about preferring a figure further to the right. What finally does Bruning in with Hindenburg, despite the formal fiscal success off his program, is the outbreak over the Osthilfe scandal over aid to the Junkers and its misuse, including by Hindenburg and his son and donors for tax-evasion purposes, and the government's failure to cover it up, combined with Bruning's honest use of the program, per legislative mandate to provide vacant or unused eastern German farmlands to the unemployed willing to farm (Agro-Bolshevism! the horror!).

Hindenburg appoints Franz Von Papen as Chancellor in Bruning's place during a winter 1932-33 Reichstag recess, giving him a clear mandate to censor reporting on items embarrassing to him, his son and their Junker friends, continues support for the Hoover moratorium and arms equality - as Bruning was anyway, and supports increases in funding for the military while generally allowing Von Papen to exercise his political judgment on reconvening parliament and economic policy.

Von Papen as Chancellor actually mostly continues Bruning's main economic lines, asking Hindenburg's frequent support for long Reichstag recesses and dissolutions, using street disorders as excuses, and getting policy through via Presidential decree. Von Papen succeeds in governing this way through 1933 by persuading Hindenburg, his son, and inner circle that this is the best way to maximize quiet for the Hindenburg family. Meanwhile, he carves out corrupt bargains to please conservative constituency groups like the military and junkers and industry at a not too exorbitant cost to keep pressure off himself.

With Hindenburg obviously showing signs of greater feebleness and senility, he strengthens his interactions with the Presidents inner circle to hold on, and talks of being inclusive toward Nazis, or standing ground against them, over 1933, tactically, depending on whatever stance makes him look more important. But, weaker than OTL electoral performances by Nazis twice in 1932, and decreased revenue drawn from their membership and intra-party fighting, tends to drive him over the year towards more of a "stand up against that uncouth Corporal" point of view, as the Nazi position weakens.

One notable effect of Nazi Reichstag weakness is that the Chancellor rather than supreme court head remains first in line as temporary successor to the President.

As 1933 turns to 1934, Von Papen continues the game of playing for time by trying to hold onto his Chancellorship, since Hindenburg's mortality is becoming ever more apparent. The stakes are much higher now, because Von Papen stands to assume the powers of the Presidency in the interim, so intrigues against him multiply, and he does his best to quash them. He makes canny use of bribes (fiscal and outright) and appeals to groups, right, center, and left, like the military, but also Reichstag Centre Party folks when it is in succession to give them reasons to feel they may do well under him and don't want to take a chance under another system or plotter, be it Hitler, some other General, random right-wing politician, or some figure who can collect broad support in the Reichstag that is all too likely to be fleeting, and has no leverage with "the deep state".

Suffice to say, Von Papen manages to remain on the tightrope and not fall off through the months of 1934 until Hindenburg's death, when he assumes, "temporarily" the deceased President's powers.

He will govern Germany over the next three years after summer 1934, finding excuses to avoid or delay a Presidential election, by dictatorial or parliamentary means, or, if lucky, and probably win a seven-year Presidential term in his own right.

In the meantime, while rearming, and eventually selling arms abroad, possibly including to foreign conflicts that may break out like a civil war in Spain, he is unlikely to be so bold as to start wars or seriously risk wars with neighbors like Czechoslovakia.

I anticipate If he ends up not securing a 7-year Presidential term electorally in his own right (which may not be that likely yet in 1934 or early 1935), a Von Papen regime lasting a shorter period would probably end up losing power to a coup possibly of generals at some point, or right-wing politicians with military backing, or popular pressures for the restoration of electoral democracy.
 

NoMommsen

Kicked
By'n large ... nice story so far 🙂
However ... I do have some reservations regarding the 'beginning' ... first some 'technical'/legalistic/economical points:
1.
... the Schilling converted at a fixed rate to the still relatively stable Rentenmark ...
Legally not possible (and economically at that point of time also unsound) as the amount of Rentenmark available was by law fixed at 3,2 billion as its 'security' was calculated at 3,2 billion Goldmarks. It issuing was ended by 30th August 1924 with the reintroduction of the gold-based Reichsmark. Up to then about 2,4 billion Rentenmark were issued for the 'rest' used for cashless calculations.
In 1929 there would no Rentenmark be issued anymore though the already issued coins and notes could and were used up to 1948. By then the Reichsmark was the 'stable' currency you mention 😉.

2.
I miss any notion of the Geneva protocols of october 1922 which reaffirmed the verdict on austrian-german union of whatever kind may it be economically or politically. This was then international valid legislation.
Aside its political backing by France, Great Britain and Italy its economical 'weight' amounted to 198,0287075 t of gold (equalling the 650.000.000 Gold Kronen of the loan of the Geneva protocol enabling the austrain currency reform creating the Schilling in 1925).
A weight that should be considered to somehow counterweighted.

However ... it were exactly these Geneva protocols being the legal foundation of the LoN rejection of the 1931 attempt of Austria and Germany to negotiated some kind of an "alignment of trade and custom matters" of at first even only temporarily thought of which negotiations should have been held under the auspicies of the "European Study Council" of the LoN established on Briands initiative regarding the idea of some kind of european union (about this attempt I would regard also using the german wiki article for additional info and sourcing material).
 
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raharris1973

Gone Fishin'
Legally not possible (and economically at that point of time also unsound) as the amount of Rentenmark available was by law fixed at 3,2 billion as its 'security' was calculated at 3,2 billion Goldmarks. It issuing was ended by 30th August 1924 with the reintroduction of the gold-based Reichsmark. Up to then about 2,4 billion Rentenmark were issued for the 'rest' used for cashless calculations.
In 1929 there would no Rentenmark be issued anymore though the already issued coins and notes could and were used up to 1948. By then the Reichsmark was the 'stable' currency you mention 😉.
Thank you for the information. I stand corrected on the Rentenmark I guess.

But I suppose this is an error in the narrative that can be "patched up" by substituting Reichsmark for Rentenmark?

2.
I miss any notion of the Geneva protocols of october 1922 which reaffirmed the verdict on austrian-german union of whatever kind may it be economically or politically. This was then international valid legislation.
Aside its political backing by France, Great Britain and Italy its economical 'weight' amounted to 198,0287075 t of gold (equalling the 650.000.000 Gold Kronen of the loan of the Geneva protocol enabling the austrain currency reform creating the Schilling in 1925).
A weight that should be considered to somehow counterweighted.

However ... it were exactly these Geneva protocols being the legal foundation of the LoN rejection of the 1931 attempt of Austria and Germany to negotiated some kind of an "alignment of trade and custom matters" of at first even only temporarily thought of which negotiations should have been held under the auspicies of the "European Study Council" of the LoN established on Briands initiative regarding the idea of some kind of european union (about this attempt I would regard also using the german wiki article for additional info and sourcing material).
So, what is the ultimate takeaway/conclusion we are to derive from this?

Basically, that other powers would have a decent, treaty-based international legal basis to object to bilateral Austro-German moves toward customs, monetary, or political union in 1929?

.....the further implication being that if Germany and Austria nevertheless moved ahead with such steps, other powers could.......take them to court. German courts, Austrian courts, international courts, their own domestic courts. Judges in the international court or courts, and possibly even in German or Austrian, would be compelled to find merit in the plaintiff's "stop the union" law suit, and then issue a binding "cease and desist" order or injunction upon the executive and legislative branches of the German and Austrian governments on any practical steps toward unification?

.....And if the German and Austrian governments ignored any international, or even French, judge's injunction against union, the French Army, or other countries' armies, could be sent to exercise "police action" to compel German and Austrian authorities to desist from unification. The governments could be declared outlaws. It would be a de facto casus belli, but France or other LoN members could use military forceful "police powers" without even disturbing the fiction they are not committing outlawed "war" using the police rubric?
 

raharris1973

Gone Fishin'
Discussing this scenario on another site, one critique I received was they didn't think Von Papen was skilled or liked enough as a politician to be able to pull off this political dance and remain in power as long as I have him remain in power.

Interesting feedback. I don't know what others' thoughts on that are.

That Von Papen endgame of succeeding Bruning as Chancellor and holding on to succeed Hindenburg as President was the piece of this I was improvising the most "on the fly", last minute.

I did the most reading and research up front to get the details on the Austrian politics and the late 1920s Weimar Party positions and timing of Kellogg-Briand and Depression events. As I was starting to spell out the "no Hitler" pathway, I was rooting for the Weimar coalition parties of technocrats, possibly Catholic Centre , to not only stop the 1933 Hitler takeover, but somehow keep riding electoral democracy continuously on the strength of successful Austro-German unification on their watch, and adequate depression recovery.

But what I was finding in my research was it was really, really hard keep Bruning, probably any Catholic Centre non-rightist type, in power, impossible to have another SDP Chancellor under Hindenburg, impossible to beat Hitler with a different Presidential candidate, and basically impossible to not have electoral democracy basically go into eclipse or suspense for a couple years, by order of a government considered sufficiently right-wing that the military would take orders from it in fighting Brownshirts.

So, what I settled on was delaying, but prolonging, Von Papen's time in power, and taking advantage of his ability to play multiple sides of the fence, the military, Hindenburg, and parliamentarians, or at least Catholic factions there.

Maybe that is pretty unrealistic. Who is more likely in your view to wind up with authority? Kurt Schleicher? He always seemed even more politically clumsy to me than Von Papen, and he ended up lethally alienating Hitler and dead within 18 months of Hitler becoming Fuhrer, whereas Von Papen at least was astute enough to land on his feet and keep working as a Reich diplomat.

I think I find a continuation of the far less unsavory Bruning basically impossible, because he was too honest to do the dirty work of covering up and censoring Hindenburg family and wider Junker corruption being exposed in the press.

Or were we possibly in a situation where post election of Hindenburg 1924, and even with Hindenburg convincingly defeating Hitler in the run-off election of 1932, all political roads ran downhill towards Hitler already?

One alternative successor to Von Papen, who I could imagine might be palatable to Hindenburg once he tires of Von Papen, instead of Schleicher or Hitler, who might have the charm and support to stick in office until Hindenburg's death and inheriting Presidential powers, that occurred to me in recent days, was possibly Carl Goerdeler? Might he work as the stopgap Notzi dictator for short/medium term, and possible transitioner back to electoral politics?

 
Is Italy in a position to pick such a fight without the backing of France and the UK? Or would Mussolini sabre-rattle in hopes of getting what he wants without needing to fight for it?
France might give it, if only to cool off their own right, the Cross of fire bands.
 

NoMommsen

Kicked
Thank you for the information. I stand corrected on the Rentenmark I guess.

But I suppose this is an error in the narrative that can be "patched up" by substituting Reichsmark for Rentenmark?
no objections from my side 😊
So, what is the ultimate takeaway/conclusion we are to derive from this?
The two goverments (Austria and Germany) would have to find a way of somehow replacing/paying back the loan of the Geneva protocol. ... or at least a somewhat/somehow 'plausible' looking scheme to do and be able to do so.
Also they should find a way to ... bribe? ... convince? other esp. neighouring nations to look 'benevolent' at their project. ... maybe with offering some 'special' trade/custom agreements? As IOTL the french goverment would rather quickly tighten the finacial screws not only against the austrain and german banks and economies but also everbody else who might even begin to look favorable on the german-austrian project. France at that point of time HAD half to 2/3 of Europe by their financial balls with it on large reserves of gold (Gold Standard was again/still the call of the day).
Ideally Stresemann or else manages to get the british goverment to support them openly as well as 'behind the scenes' for maybe strongarming France into accepting it.
Not the at first IOTL rather lukewarm initial 'uninterestedness' then turning into legalism of OTL.
Basically, that other powers would have a decent, treaty-based international legal basis to object to bilateral Austro-German moves toward customs, monetary, or political union in 1929? ...
YES
After the initial protests of violation of a registered treaty - aside the ToV and ToS.G. - some 'lawsuit' would be set up. First stage a 'discussion' before the hightest commitee of the LoN: the Council of the LoN than before the Permanent Court of International Justice.
... much as IOTL.
(A law suite even then - for the sake of humiliation I assume - furthered after the austrian goverment publicised its surrender of the project before the Court began its consultations and the german side did the same before the court publicised its decision. ... which was ofc against any kind of ...'nearing' between Austria and Germany.)

IF ... ITTL the austrian and german goverment proceed nonetheless ... they would very fast very thoroughly been internationally isolated not to speak of finances (withdraws of most to all foreign credits/loans) and economy (forced upon remaining 'trade partners' by France and Great Britain possibly as well).
What would result out of the open violation of the even 'heavier' weighting ToV and ToS.G. ... dunno ... probably an even harsher economical isolation, the almost immediate cancellation of the Dawes-plan agreements and possibly/probably Germany been 'removed' from the Councl of the LoN (esp. its status as permanent member) at least with whatever 'restrictions' on its membership as well.
... if there would be whatever kinda 'enforcement' action aka military-policing occupation ... I would render at this point of time rather improbably but one never knows what some french nationalistic 'feeelings' might play into it ...

However ... at least for me (due to my utter uneducatedness about this goverments foreign politics at this point of time regarding Europe) THE dark horse here is IMHO Herbert C. Hoover and what the US of A would do. ... if they do anything at all at this point of time still before black friday.
Getting him to 'favor' the austrian-german project would DEFINITLY be a maybe even decisive bonus.
 

NoMommsen

Kicked
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One alternative successor to Von Papen, who I could imagine might be palatable to Hindenburg once he tires of Von Papen, instead of Schleicher or Hitler, who might have the charm and support to stick in office until Hindenburg's death and inheriting Presidential powers, that occurred to me in recent days, was possibly Carl Goerdeler? Might he work as the stopgap Notzi dictator for short/medium term, and possible transitioner back to electoral politics?

Another possible candidate :
Not only did he had alreayd some govermental 'practise' on realms level Minister of the interior and Vice-chanclellor but his withdraw from the presidential election in 1925 in favor of Hindenburg as soon as the latter was in the talks would have made the Field Marshal likely looking 'favorably' upon him.

Someone IMHO also not completly to be forgotten candidate for such a discussion
He 'knew' many within the Reichswehr and was well known within the Reichswehr for his opposition against the SPD as well as his rather active 'looking away' from the Reichswehrs secret rearmaent project he let let have it their ways. He was also a strong proponent of an impartial Reichswehr standing 'above' party politics. ... not at least in looking down on it in some ... 'controlling manner' perhaps also.
At the time here relevant he had also well 'recovered' from the strains of office of former time.
Not the least feat also: he actually was in 1925 a discussed candidate for a combined ticket of Center, SPD, DVP and DDP (and some of the smaller middle parties) for the 1925 presidency. Therefore he might be able to achieve at least a similar 'toleration' in the Reichstag as Brüning.
 
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no objections from my side 😊

The two goverments (Austria and Germany) would have to find a way of somehow replacing/paying back the loan of the Geneva protocol. ... or at least a somewhat/somehow 'plausible' looking scheme to do and be able to do so.
Also they should find a way to ... bribe? ... convince? other esp. neighouring nations to look 'benevolent' at their project. ... maybe with offering some 'special' trade/custom agreements? As IOTL the french goverment would rather quickly tighten the finacial screws not only against the austrain and german banks and economies but also everbody else who might even begin to look favorable on the german-austrian project. France at that point of time HAD half to 2/3 of Europe by their financial balls with it on large reserves of gold (Gold Standard was again/still the call of the day).
Ideally Stresemann or else manages to get the british goverment to support them openly as well as 'behind the scenes' for maybe strongarming France into accepting it.
Not the at first IOTL rather lukewarm initial 'uninterestedness' then turning into legalism of OTL.

YES
After the initial protests of violation of a registered treaty - aside the ToV and ToS.G. - some 'lawsuit' would be set up. First stage a 'discussion' before the hightest commitee of the LoN: the Council of the LoN than before the Permanent Court of International Justice.
... much as IOTL.
(A law suite even then - for the sake of humiliation I assume - furthered after the austrian goverment publicised its surrender of the project before the Court began its consultations and the german side did the same before the court publicised its decision. ... which was ofc against any kind of ...'nearing' between Austria and Germany.)

IF ... ITTL the austrian and german goverment proceed nonetheless ... they would very fast very thoroughly been internationally isolated not to speak of finances (withdraws of most to all foreign credits/loans) and economy (forced upon remaining 'trade partners' by France and Great Britain possibly as well).
What would result out of the open violation of the even 'heavier' weighting ToV and ToS.G. ... dunno ... probably an even harsher economical isolation, the almost immediate cancellation of the Dawes-plan agreements and possibly/probably Germany been 'removed' from the Councl of the LoN (esp. its status as permanent member) at least with whatever 'restrictions' on its membership as well.
... if there would be whatever kinda 'enforcement' action aka military-policing occupation ... I would render at this point of time rather improbably but one never knows what some french nationalistic 'feeelings' might play into it ...

However ... at least for me (due to my utter uneducatedness about this goverments foreign politics at this point of time regarding Europe) THE dark horse here is IMHO Herbert C. Hoover and what the US of A would do. ... if they do anything at all at this point of time still before black friday.
Getting him to 'favor' the austrian-german project would DEFINITLY be a maybe even decisive bonus.
So what's the worst non conflict scenario that could happen to Germany+Austria? Total economic and political isolation from the world?
 
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