What if Austria-Hungray was a part of the triple entre

what if in an alternate world Austria-Hungray was an enemy of Germany and a ally of France,Britain and Russia

How would ww1 happen if it even happens

Would Serbia and Austria-Hungary still be enemy's or frenemys

If war broke out between Serbia and AH would Russia aid AH, Serbia or be neutral
 
Germany would be hopelessly outmatched and probably try to avoid confrontation with this large, but unwieldy bloc. That's saying nothing of its inevitable dissolution. There's too many differences between all the members.
 
If Austria-Hungary are members of the Entente, then Russia would most probably not, their differences are just too big. On the other hand, I can't see Germany align with Russia neither though, since the Germans were pretty concerned by the evergrowing power of Russia. The Germans would most probably ally with Italy though, while Russia would remain/become completely isolated. These blocs actually make much more sense, than OTL.
 
I have always been interested in this scenario, as I think it presents a number of interesting possibilities.

IMO the Russians would probably remain outside of the war in this scenario, which would be to their advantage. Perhaps Russia ends up supplying arms and ammunition to Germany, performing a similar role to the United States supplying armaments to the Entente powers?

Would love to see a TL on how this could occur, and then how a war would play out.
 
Russia wouldn't be apart of this alliance, they have nothing to gain, it's just limiting.
A France-Ah-britain alliance has the major issue of even if Germany and Russia don't Ally they won't be hostile to one another either and likely as soon as the other one ends up fighting this entente the other will jump in to help the other to avoid total continental domination for this alliance.
This does however make German-Romanian relations rock solid as both will be hohenzollern led and anti habsburg.
So you will likely end up with a cordial Russia and Germany where Germany likely leads an alliance of Germany,Italy and Romania.
 

CaliGuy

Banned
If Austria-Hungary are members of the Entente, then Russia would most probably not, their differences are just too big. On the other hand, I can't see Germany align with Russia neither though, since the Germans were pretty concerned by the evergrowing power of Russia. The Germans would most probably ally with Italy though, while Russia would remain/become completely isolated. These blocs actually make much more sense, than OTL.
Pretty much agreed with this. Indeed, either Russia completely stays out of the alliance system or it allies with Germany (rather than with the Entente) in this TL.

Also, Germany would have a very good chance of winning this TL's WWI, no?
 

CaliGuy

Banned
Germany would be hopelessly outmatched and probably try to avoid confrontation with this large, but unwieldy bloc. That's saying nothing of its inevitable dissolution. There's too many differences between all the members.
Frankly, I wonder if Russia would agree to a deal where it would be a part of this alliance but only if Austria-Hungary ceded Galicia to Russia.

Any thoughts on this?
 

Phyrx

Banned
But what if Austria-Hungary was part of the Triple Entrée?

Would the Kaiser still have room for dessert?
 

NoMommsen

Donor
Something about german-russian relations : Treaty of Björko

One of these 'Willy-Nikky' things, that was brought down by the 'politician'.
However, IMO an example that german-russian relations had well the potential for becomming an alliance, esp. if France would start to look the other way, aka to A-H.

And as already said : I can't see a way, how russian-austrian quarrels could be soothed enough to hold such an alliance alive.


Would love to see a TL on how this could occur, and then how a war would play out.
I once, about a year ago put together some ... bones for what could become a german-russian alliance opposite to an franco-austrian alliance to be found here :
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...ith-a-h-partition.388567/page-4#post-12419268
Though the title and question of the OP of this thread is a bit different, it aimes into the same direction.

Maybe an interesting read for this discussion also.
 
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