What if Andronovo culture practiced shifting cultivation?

The andronovo culture located mostly in modern day kazakstan , Uzbekistan and krygyztan and some parts of Russian Siberia . The culture is basically an successor culture to the sintashta culture which was inturn a successor to the poltavka culture which was basically a continuation of the yamnaya culture. From archelogical evidence we can say that andronovo culture was a highly moblie culture spatially speaking, in other words they were nomadic and from the absence of cultivation or rearing of pigs and based on the fact that cultivation was restricted to the peripheral regions of the oxus river valley civilization which was it's immediate neighbor, the culture did not practice agriculture to a large extent which is odd considering the fact that kazakstan has 48,000 lakes fed by small river and streams and around 10,000 rivers , so agriculture is possible especially in the great kazakh steppe ,the kazakh forest steppe ,the kazakh uplands , now considering the fact agriculture was prevelant in oxus river valley civilization what if by 2000 bc majority of the andronovo culture adopt agriculture of the shifting type ( I am not referring to the slash and burn technique) and later on domesticate pigs and are able to have more animals and this will result in a population boom but at the same time have less conflict due to abundance of resources and let's say they expand into the pontic steppes and Caucasian mountains.

My question are as follows

1)What would be the population of andronovo culture which practiced shifting cultivation?

The steppes are not a stranger to these practice the scythians practiced it too , Herodotus said that the pontic scythians had population around 6.7 million people and this excludes the Eastern scythians ( take this number with a pinch of salt given the inaccurate nature of some aspects of Herodotus work . Now the scythians appear around 1100bc and Herodotus work inquiry was done in 450bc so in 650 years ,the scythians went from a few million to nearly 7 million which is not unusual considering the fact that population in late bronze age and early iron age doubled every 800 years , however while you calculate the andronovo culture keep in mind that andronovo inhabitants are now experiencing the benefits of bronze age agricultural revolution so the intial growth in population may be more than that of scythians.
Finally the settlement in this time line is more nothern and western as opposed to eastern and central as in our time line the reason being western and nothern kazakstan is suitable for shifting cultivation while Central and eastern is more suitable for nomadic way of life but what is more is that eastern lands were prone to para plague and killed a lot of people and even caused the decline of afanasevo culture

2) Would the speed of migration change ?
And impact on Indian subcontinent and iranian plateau?

The inhabitants of andronovo culture would find that land loosing it's fertility over the years and combined with the effects of climate change the culture not knowing the technique of dryland farming a technique for intensive cultivation in steppes which wasn't invented until the late 18th century and introduced in steppes in late 19th century, will start to migrate southwards with the eastern half moving into modern day Afghanistan and the western half moving into modern day Iran and few will move west into Europe , the eastern branches will move into India , this will take place around 1300bc a good 200 years late but since indian lands especially Punjab is great for agriculture a lot of Indo iranian people will move to India rather than Iran and the Indo iranian migration will be prolonged than in our time line may be from 1300 bc to 700bc , so what would this mean for the Indian subcontinent and the iranian plateau?

And finally , what other butterflies can you foresee ?
 
I think this destabilizes the development of Turkic and Mongolic cultures. The potential for trade might prove another early benefit for China. It would be neat if they could make a big tributary state from Pannonia to Mongolia.
 
I think this destabilizes the development of Turkic and Mongolic cultures. The potential for trade might prove another early benefit for China. It would be neat if they could make a big tributary state from Pannonia to Mongolia.
Oh yeah , that's a big butterfly, so no Mongol invasions ?
 
Oh yeah , that's a big butterfly, so no Mongol invasions ?
They are still a potential, but I don't think you will have a 1 to 1 counterpart.

The Indus River Valley Civilization might have enough of a breather to rebound and resist the Aryan invasion. Are you aware of any pre-Indo-European languages in modern Iran? @Albert.Nik you either?
 
They are still a potential, but I don't think you will have a 1 to 1 counterpart.

The Indus River Valley Civilization might have enough of a breather to rebound and resist the Aryan invasion. Are you aware of any pre-Indo-European languages in modern Iran? @Albert.Nik you either?

Elamite and likely Caucausian related languages.
 

Albert.Nik

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They are still a potential, but I don't think you will have a 1 to 1 counterpart.

The Indus River Valley Civilization might have enough of a breather to rebound and resist the Aryan invasion. Are you aware of any pre-Indo-European languages in modern Iran? @Albert.Nik you either?
Elamite existed towards the South. Gutian existed in some Northern regions. Except that,some traces of Caucasian languages might have existed. This is the identified languages. There are some yet unidentified languages that might have been spoken as well like BMAC and IVC languages in traces.
 
They are still a potential, but I don't think you will have a 1 to 1 counterpart.

The Indus River Valley Civilization might have enough of a breather to rebound and resist the Aryan invasion. Are you aware of any pre-Indo-European languages in modern Iran? @Albert.Nik you either?
Yeah kassites I think had an Indo European language but it's speculation
 
The Indus River Valley Civilization might have enough of a breather to rebound and resist the Aryan invasion
No the ivc was pretty much done by 1900bc with its people having migrated to all parts of India , the later Harappans have a strong Indo iranian influence in their culture besides there is no invasion more of a migration , the IVc ended at around 1900bc while the first Indo iranian came in around 1600bc and the Indo iranian have one advantage which the rest of India doesn't possess the use of horses
 
And metallurgy, the Indus valley civilization was a civilization of contradiction it had advanced cities for it's time but lacked proper irrigation system, made advances in metal works but didn't know how to smelt copper or make bronze which was imported from Faraway places , so when the civilization declined these trade routes collapsed aswell so any later Harappan revival will lack metals or tool making skills needed for war plus any tactics and strategies needed to defend from an invader . The Indo iranian were not some barbarian tribes , they knew how to build dams and build extensive cannals as a result of it's interaction with the oxus river valley civilization, they knew to smelt metals aswell well had good knowledge on metal works yes they lacked the sophistication the IVc had but that doesn't make them backwards in every aspect just because they didn't practice agriculture
 

Albert.Nik

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Let's map out regions fit for sedentary life and civilization and those fit for Nomadic ones. We are still in very early BCE eras so Turks,Mongols,etc won't be relevant for another 2000-3000 years. The people who could get into this equation would be Indo-Europeans like Indo-Iranians and Tocharians and in the Non Indo-European sections,Caucasians(including those like Burusho,Hattians,Hurro-Urartians,Kaskians speaking Language isolates) and Uralic peoples. Maybe even Balto-Slavic and Germanic people could play some part too.

That gives us lands of Syr Darya,Amu Darya,Lands around Bukhara and Samarkand,Whole of Sogdia and Ferghana valley,Tarim Basin and the rich lands to the North of it,Lands around Issyuk Kul,River valleys of South Kazakhstan,Volga Basin,Ukraine,Caucasus,Eastern Anatolia,Northern Iran and last but not the least,KPK region,Kashmir and Punjab regions in the Indian subcontinent. Settled and irrigated Agriculture could start somewhere in these regions and spread elsewhere taking Indo-Iranian,Tocharian,Anatolian and Caucasian civilizations to various parts here and could make it an another vibrant area like the Middle East. This could be a fertile ground for a Rome like Empire by one of these three Indo-European groups who has sufficient resources,cultural influence and lands in this region. Not impossible.
 
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