What if Al-Husseini never born

Nope, Palestinian nationalism had its origin in the 1834 Revolt. Without the Husseinis, in all probability it's this guy that replaces him: Ragheb al-Nashashibi. Unfortunately for the idea that one man could single-handedly create nationalism ex-nihilo (which is never how it works in real life), or for the idea that the natives of Palestine would just move because a bunch of Polish and German and Russian socialists wanted to take their land, one man never being born changes squat.
 
Without Husseinis fucking things up, the early nationalists might actually accomplish something however.

In which case the likelihood of the Mandate of Palestine becoming a Zionist-Jewish state is rather vanishingly unlikely. Instead what may happen is a more secular supra-Palestinian state. Israel only existed because it was surrounded by idiots, if it faces a competent Palestinian leader, Jews may have a national homeland in Palestine but there will never be a Jewish state in Palestine.
 
In which case the likelihood of the Mandate of Palestine becoming a Zionist-Jewish state is rather vanishingly unlikely. Instead what may happen is a more secular supra-Palestinian state. Israel only existed because it was surrounded by idiots, if it faces a competent Palestinian leader, Jews may have a national homeland in Palestine but there will never be a Jewish state in Palestine.

And if the early nationalists get turned on to socialism by the Kibbutzniks... Oh boy.
 

Jason222

Banned
In which case the likelihood of the Mandate of Palestine becoming a Zionist-Jewish state is rather vanishingly unlikely. Instead what may happen is a more secular supra-Palestinian state. Israel only existed because it was surrounded by idiots, if it faces a competent Palestinian leader, Jews may have a national homeland in Palestine but there will never be a Jewish state in Palestine.
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First someone would put to replace him that muslin leader with that knowledge basic 8 ways thing possible gone. First nothing Zionist immigrant out check on challenge for must Israel because state 1940's million Germany immigrants enter Palestine. It possible had more effective leader entire Arab revolt 1936 until 1939 under unit Arab leadership left must Palestinian Arab leaving must Palestinian Arab population died. Since the Zionist and UK bend crushing Palestinian Arab revolt all cost. With must male population involved must also been killed something like rather 10% Palestinian male population either exile, dead or jailed. You having something 80% Palestinian male population died must survive would end up refugees other side Jordan River. 3 possible leader some how came terms with Zionist Jews perhaps agree House Jews and House Arabs. Possible number four the Palestinian Arab leadership might adapt Peel Commission suggestions or even suggestion two state solution lot early. Get must Palestinian Arab agree Nazi cause leading UK basic put having turn Zionist leading marshal law and try getting many Jews Palestine possible make sure Palestinian Arab not majority. 6 accept UK offer white papers and want out way help defeat Nazi Germany and Japan. With Palestinian Arabs and perhaps few other Arab states ready lend hand UK might try carry out D-Day without beat Nazi Germany without USA help only US supplies back effect. This came heavy price both men and equipment special UK did shortly after lead and lease act. Palestinian Arab better able handle Zionist militarily guessing must male population kill off. 7 While extremely unlikely possible extremely unlikely that Palestinian Arab socialist try start copy jews rather fight no tell were that gone. 8 Perhaps communism revolutions.

Er, what? I have no idea what you just said here. Nor is there any reason whatsoever for Palestinian Arabs to give the would-be state of Israel the time of day, no matter who leads them, any more than there was a reason for the Cherokees to let the state of Georgia give them the boot.
 
And if the early nationalists get turned on to socialism by the Kibbutzniks... Oh boy.
Is that an attempt to cause Godwinn-by-pun?

First someone would put to replace him that muslin leader with that knowledge basic 8 ways thing possible gone. First nothing Zionist immigrant out check on challenge for must Israel because state 1940's million Germany immigrants enter Palestine. It possible had more effective leader entire Arab revolt 1936 until 1939 under unit Arab leadership left must Palestinian Arab leaving must Palestinian Arab population died. Since the Zionist and UK bend crushing Palestinian Arab revolt all cost. With must male population involved must also been killed something like rather 10% Palestinian male population either exile, dead or jailed. You having something 80% Palestinian male population died must survive would end up refugees other side Jordan River. 3 possible leader some how came terms with Zionist Jews perhaps agree House Jews and House Arabs. Possible number four the Palestinian Arab leadership might adapt Peel Commission suggestions or even suggestion two state solution lot early. Get must Palestinian Arab agree Nazi cause leading UK basic put having turn Zionist leading marshal law and try getting many Jews Palestine possible make sure Palestinian Arab not majority. 6 accept UK offer white papers and want out way help defeat Nazi Germany and Japan. With Palestinian Arabs and perhaps few other Arab states ready lend hand UK might try carry out D-Day without beat Nazi Germany without USA help only US supplies back effect. This came heavy price both men and equipment special UK did shortly after lead and lease act. Palestinian Arab better able handle Zionist militarily guessing must male population kill off. 7 While extremely unlikely possible extremely unlikely that Palestinian Arab socialist try start copy jews rather fight no tell were that gone. 8 Perhaps communism revolutions.
Because honey badger.
 

Jason222

Banned
Er, what? I have no idea what you just said here. Nor is there any reason whatsoever for Palestinian Arabs to give the would-be state of Israel the time of day, no matter who leads them, any more than there was a reason for the Cherokees to let the state of Georgia give them the boot.
few Arab leaders welling comprise Sami Taha, Raghib al-Nashashibi another one. Favor Peel Commission at least in secret. Different chief Religion leader could in theory adopt there stance rather then extremist stance.
Sady other way could gone Palestinian Arabs even end up the same or end refugee lot early.
 
few Arab leaders welling comprise Sami Taha, Raghib al-Nashashibi another one. Favor Peel Commission at least in secret. Different chief Religion leader could in theory adopt there stance rather then extremist stance.
Sady other way could gone Palestinian Arabs even end up the same or end refugee lot early.

No, no Arab leaders were willing to compromise on giving their land to a bunch of socialist atheists from Central and Eastern Europe.
 
Not true Kamil al-Husayni favor comprise Zionist and uK

No, what that compromise was IIRC was a supra-Palestinian state encompassing Jews and Arabs both, not terrorism creating a Jewish state out of the Mandate at Palestinian expense. And the founders of Israel were always and forever interested in a Jewish state first and foremost.

Actually, the Nashashibis were not as extreme as the Al-Husseinis, and were willing to compromise.

What they were willing to compromise on IIRC was not what David Ben Gurion and company were willing to give. None of the Palestinian nationalists wanted a Jewish *state* carved out of the Mandate. What they were willing to concede was a broader supra-Palestine for both Jews *and* Arabs. A Jewish state? They wanted that as much as the Cherokees wanted to get the boot for Georgia's benefit.
 

Jason222

Banned
No, what that compromise was IIRC was a supra-Palestinian state encompassing Jews and Arabs both, not terrorism creating a Jewish state out of the Mandate at Palestinian expense. And the founders of Israel were always and forever interested in a Jewish state first and foremost.



What they were willing to compromise on IIRC was not what David Ben Gurion and company were willing to give. None of the Palestinian nationalists wanted a Jewish *state* carved out of the Mandate. What they were willing to concede was a broader supra-Palestine for both Jews *and* Arabs. A Jewish state? They wanted that as much as the Cherokees wanted to get the boot for Georgia's benefit.
They basic welling to allow Jews majority in Palestine state
 
They basic welling to allow Jews majority in Palestine state

So they said, but in practice I can't see them actually going through with it. Nor do I think that David Ben Gurion and his ilk would necessarily be reliable sources. I mean they did make the comment that fooled only those willing to be fooled about their aim *not* being a Jewish state.
 

Jason222

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So they said, but in practice I can't see them actually going through with it. Nor do I think that David Ben Gurion and his ilk would necessarily be reliable sources. I mean they did make the comment that fooled only those willing to be fooled about their aim *not* being a Jewish state.
Problem is that Palestinian screw no matter what second unlikleyhood of one excepting the Peel Commission. If Arab revolted 1936 the Zionist and UK going put down all cost. Untied Palestinian leadership respect of all the people UK kill or jail or exile at least 40% Palestinian male population. The Zionist basic control country. If Palestinian used civil disobey to extrema meaning trying to get Zionist and UK leave that way fail terrible. He because he nothing do Palestinian Arab not having Palestinian army.
 
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