What if instead he was an influential leader intent on conquering the world (more like Napoleon)? Assume he still becomes a fascist dictator and pursues the same foreign policies, however, there is no Holocaust. How would this affect the war, the homefront, and how Germany is viewed internationally?
What if Adolf Hitler was not an anti-semetic bigot?
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You need to be insane to try and take over the world. If Hitler isn't insane then I can't see him going much further than the sudetenland.
Was Napoleon Insane? (I really don't know).
Anyway, he still atleast tries to conquer all of Europe. The highlight here is, how do his plan change if he i not in anyway rascist against any group of people?
Sachyriel
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He does it economically, which is impossible without a rearmament campaign it seems. What do you do with these weapons that you made in order to give jobs to people so they could feed themselves? Sell them? To who? Not like many nations have enough money to buy foreign weaponry.
Depends. It may help logistics, as the personnel and equipment used to exterminate Jews could be put to more practical uses. However, is this Hitler still Anti-slavic? If so, then more emphasis would probably be put on exterminating Slavs from eastern territories conquered. If however, he's more of a pragmatist instead of a bigot, he could use anti-communist sentiment in the Ukrainians, Belorussians et al. to enlist the populations' support in overthrowing the Soviet government.
To some degree, but he wasn't a racist (to the standards of his time at least)
Well I'm guessing the USSR will still be the enemy but he might be able to get Poland on board along with Romania, Hungary, and maybe Finland. This will have it's pro's and cons for the Soviets. The good news is they'll almost certainly see this invasion coming unlike Barbarossa, the bad news is that a non racist occupation will likely get much more cooperation from Ukrainians and other groups as well as the formation of Russian Liberation Armys early on.
The problem with Germany is that it is very poorly governed but very well run. Below the level of national politics Germany is very well served by exellent administrators who run these lower levels with very high effectiveness and efficiency.
If Hitler was a gifted leader then Germany could achieve great things, there isn't much in the way structurally from Germany becomeing the world undisputed 2nd superpower.
If Hitler was a gifted leader then Germany could achieve great things, there isn't much in the way structurally from Germany becomeing the world undisputed 2nd superpower.
Keenir
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why would Germany-vs-USSR be a World War?
(you did, after all, say Hitler wasn't a bigot or insane or anything)
Ok. The way I see it, if Hitler was neither a bigot or insane, Germany would probably have unified with Austria, taken the Sudentland in the Apeasment, and stopped there. For a while at least. I think the main problem with Hitler is that he was mad with power, and was riding an ungodly huge wave of nationalism. A pragmatic leader would have known when to move, and when to hold tight. But then again, this brings us back to the old question of wether or not it would have been best for England and France to allow Hitler to have Poland, in effect re-establishing old Prussia, which England enjoyed a particularly good relatioship with. I can't help to wonder if done correctly, could Hitler have accomplished this?
Maybe, but it would have been at best a close run, and a lot of people would still hold grudges against him for at least a decade. He would have needed to implement something like the ECSC with France, splitting the proceedings 50-50 (which would have actually meant 60-40 for the French, since their industry was weaker) in the early 30s, which is quite a challenge. It would have also meant giving a sizable amount of economic concessions to (what was left of) Czechoslovakia and Poland (pumping a crapload of money and technology into Poland was a given, though).
Could it have been possible, with a highly charismatic, pragmatic, not insane/bigoted/racist Hitler? Who knows. This butterfly is so big, it would cause a Beaufort rank 12 cyclonic storm if it flapped its wings.
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Possible results...
1: Hitler has a harder time taking and consolidating power with the absence of the Jewish scapegoat (but then you still have communism to rail against).
2: A few German-Jewish Scientists that otherwise left may remain, maybe The German nuclear weapons project becomes viable? But they are just as likely to leave for liberal societies?
3: The lack of an holocaust may free up certain resources, but then with the lack of forced labour you may also loose some.
I cant see it having much effect though!