What if????? A study in human migration.

sentai1074

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What if Humans (Homo Sapiens Sapiens) originated in the Americas?

1. Camels, Elephants, Horses, Lions, Tigers, and Bears originated in the Americas.

2. Oldest known Homo Sapiens Sapiens fossilized remains were found on the islands offshore from California. It is important to note that the fossils contained 40% mineralization, which indicates their extreme antiquity.

3. Comperable Homo Sapiens Sapiens (Cro-Magnon Man) fossils contain significantly less mineralization.

4. Current theory holds that America was populated by people from Asia following the herds. Which herds were they following?

5. Clovis man - in America hunted Ancestral Elephants, or as we call them Mammoths.

6. How come the projectile points from America are not the same as those found in Siberia? You would think they would be identical.

7. They came back to the Americas several different times. The Algonquin and Senecas and the Iroquois they are very closely associated with the Celts with their languages and their racial features.

8. Evidence suggests that some of the Mayans are closely related to some of the peoples of the Middle East (Pyramids, Crosses, Great White Bearded God).
 
What if Humans (Homo Sapiens Sapiens) originated in the Americas?

2. Oldest known Homo Sapiens Sapiens fossilized remains were found on the islands offshore from California. It is important to note that the fossils contained 40% mineralization, which indicates their extreme antiquity.



3. Comperable Homo Sapiens Sapiens (Cro-Magnon Man) fossils contain significantly less mineralization.​

These two confuses me.
 
So who went to the Americas in the first place? Homo Erectus? And how would this explain the fact that Neandrathals are our closest relatives?
 

sentai1074

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The Migration patterns of early man to our current understanding state that primitive Eskimo-like peoples migrated across the Bering Strait and went south and became the Paleo-Indians.

My postulation is that instead of coming from the West to the East, what if they originated here, and traveled across the same land bridge and spread south to china and Australia and west on the main continent.
 

sentai1074

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Truth be told Neanderthals are not directly related to Homo Sapiens Sapiens, they are genetic ancestors they are a subshoot of Homo Sapiens (our genetic cousins - not our direct ancestors).

Doctor: To answer your question the first one is older due to longer periods of time of bone becoming mineralized and the second had not nearly the amount of time to mineralize. SO in essence, the California specimens are far older than the Cro-Magnon Man specimes.
 
I was reading it that the fossils were the oldest Homo Sapien Sapien fossils found anywhere. OK...now I see my error.:rolleyes:
 
This theory doesn't begin to explain why the genetic diversity of specific populations shrink as their distance from Africa increases.

With your theory we should see genetic diversity pattern opposite of what we actually have.
 
What if Humans (Homo Sapiens Sapiens) originated in the Americas?


Sentai1074,

That would change everything. The butterflies would be enormous.

1. Camels, Elephants, Horses, Lions, Tigers, and Bears originated in the Americas.

Primates didn't.

Oldest known Homo Sapiens Sapiens fossilized remains were found on the islands offshore from California.

That's a lie. The oldest known Homo sapiens sapiens remains are from Afar in Ethiopia and date to 160K BCE.

It is important to note that the fossils contained 40% mineralization, which indicates their extreme antiquity.

Mineralization is only a rough indication of age as it depends greatly on environment.

Comperable Homo Sapiens Sapiens (Cro-Magnon Man) fossils contain significantly less mineralization.

See above.

4. Current theory holds that America was populated by people from Asia following the herds. Which herds were they following?

Current theory holds nothing of the sort. People moving along the Bering land bridge would have been more akin to the current Inuit than plains hunters.

5. Clovis man - in America hunted Ancestral Elephants, or as we call them Mammoths.

Mammoths are a completely different species than elephants and elephants are not descendant from mammoths.

6. How come the projectile points from America are not the same as those found in Siberia? You would think they would be identical.

Different cultures, different hunting methods, etc.

7. They came back to the Americas several different times.

There could very well have been several waves.

The Algonquin and Senecas and the Iroquois they are very closely associated with the Celts with their languages and their racial features.

That's utter nonsense.

8. Evidence suggests that some of the Mayans are closely related to some of the peoples of the Middle East (Pyramids, Crosses, Great White Bearded God).

That's even more nonsense.

Was this supposed to be posted in the ASB forum?


Bill
 

sentai1074

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While I understand these facts, (and there are monkeys in America in the Jungles) the point is, there is evidence of homo sapiens sapiens living the hunter-gatherer lifestyle in America (at least until the 1850's).

MY saying is that indeed, the Eskimo, Inuit and others stayed in America, but some of them migrated across the Bering Land Bridge and went west towards the North Sea and some elected to stay in China and settled that part of Asia. Others of the group went into India, and later into Persia. Then, a group broke off and became the Indo-Aryans. They went into the Russian steppes and became the Aryans that some Europeans love to obsess over.

This group may have went west into Romania and became the Romani (Gypsies), south into Turkey and settled in Catal Hyuk. They may have then ventured west into the Trojan area, south into Mesopotamia, and over to Phoenicia when the time was right. The ones in Eastern Europe may have gone south into Macedonia, and further west into Italy to become the Etruscans. Then south to become the Romans, across the sea to become the Carthaginians (From Phoenicia).

Those on the Russian steppes went further west into Scandinavia to become the Proto-Vikings. As they migrated west, the ones in northern Italy went to the Danube and settled there. Then some went further west and settled in France, then into Spain. In Spain in Tartessos, they went across the oceans and settled Albion (England), and Eire (Ireland), some moved north to become the Picts and Scots.

The African Equation could be explained as follows - In Central America, the Toltecs settled, then spread out and sailed across the Atlantic to Africa. They settled Opar, and went on to conquer the entire continent up to the Sudan. In the Sudan region, they went north to Egypt and created an Empire. Some broke off when the Hyksos came and became the Tuaregs and Bedouin. Some of the Toltec could have crossed the pacific ocean to Rappa Nui (Easter Island) and from there the Pacific was theirs to command. They then could have settled in Australia.
 
To be honest, this theory is stupid. Earliest fossil records, genetic evidence, archeology, anthropology, linguistics, it all points to us having emerged from Africa.

Not to say some pre-homo sapien hominids didn't enter America. (Sasquatch being one is a favorite vaguely plausible theory of mine.)
 
Sentai1074,

If this thread wasn't supposed to be posted in the ASB forum, please go to this link and read about recent African origin of modern humans and the mitochondrial DNA studies that support that origin.

Aside from being absurd to a remarkable degree, your suggested "theory" is basically the reverse of what human genetics supports.


Bill
 

Cook

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2. Oldest known Homo Sapiens Sapiens fossilized remains were found on the islands offshore from California. It is important to note that the fossils contained 40% mineralization, which indicates their extreme antiquity.

Do you have an age and reference to this or is this the hypothetical point of departure?

The oldest Homo Sapiens site I can find reference to is a site called Herto in Ethiopia and is ~160,000 years old.
The oldest Australian site is Malakanunja in the Northern Territory and is ~53,000 years old.


http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/06/11_idaltu.shtml

http://www.aboriginalartonline.com/art/rockage.php
 
The African Equation could be explained as follows - In Central America, the Toltecs settled, then spread out and sailed across the Atlantic to Africa. They settled Opar, and went on to conquer the entire continent up to the Sudan. In the Sudan region, they went north to Egypt and created an Empire. Some broke off when the Hyksos came and became the Tuaregs and Bedouin. Some of the Toltec could have crossed the pacific ocean to Rappa Nui (Easter Island) and from there the Pacific was theirs to command. They then could have settled in Australia.

Yeah, the problem with that is that the Toltecs were around between 1000 and 1200 AD, and ancient Egypt was around from before 3000 BC to 300 BC (about). So unless these Toltecs are time travellers, this scenario ain't happening.

Not that the rest of it isn't ridiculous, I just picked on this part.

Also, the Roma don't originate in Romania: they are from India.
 

sentai1074

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The POD would be 25,000 BCE - And by the way - the map of migration? Just reverse the arrows and you'll understand - the herds being Mammoth, Horses (the first horse riders were the proto-mongolians, who taught the Scythians no doubt), and Camels.
 

Cook

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I’m afraid you will need to kick back your point of departure somewhat (refer to my earlier post).
What map of migration are you referring to? A picture telling a thousand words and all that, could you post it here please?
 
The POD would be 25,000 BCE - And by the way - the map of migration? Just reverse the arrows and you'll understand - the herds being Mammoth, Horses (the first horse riders were the proto-mongolians, who taught the Scythians no doubt), and Camels.

POD? Wait, is this whole theory something you believed actually happened, or is it something you are wanting to write a timeline about? If it is the first, you're crazy, if it is the second, go to the ASB forum, where pre-human timelines are supposed to go.

25,000 BC? Homo Sapiens Sapiens existed before then.
 

Cook

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I call people crazy and I get told off Finn.

And he did say Homo Sapiens so technically he’s in the right spot.
 
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