What if 9/11 was done by far-right domestic terrorists?

All right, I know there are more than a few 9/11 threads, but this one is different because it asks you, what if it was an interior threat?

Before 9/11, alot of the threatening stuff I heard was from people who did the WaCo thing and such like that. Also, while the far-right doesn't have a grasp like it does now, it probably had some hold here?

So here, how would the US and rest of the world react 9/11 was an act of domestic terrorism? The angry anti-government militia type groups who hated the rise of globalism or even sections of what one would consider the far-right and other white nationalists?
 
The response to the Oklahoma City bombing may provide some guidance. That temporarily toned down some of the antigovernment hyperbole that was creeping into the mainstream.
 
I can imagine the "9/11 was an inside job" theory becoming far more popular because of all the backlash the right as a whole will suffer in the wake of the attack.
 
There was a thread on this a month ago, and I explained how utterly improbable it is since there was not a far-right group back then (nor now) that could pull off a 9/11 attack on the Twin Towers let alone do it with four planes. It would literally have to be an inside job, or otherwise the most colossal failure in the history of the American intelligence community since they would be allowing a foreign power (who? Russia? Iran? China? One of Bush's "Axis of Evil"?) to link up with domestic terrorists and give them the capacity to pull off the attack without the three-letter agencies noticing. The American far-right was quite well-monitered after the events of the 90s, and lone wolf terrorists do not have the capability to execute a 9/11 style attack.

If white nationalists, it will lead to large crackdowns on Hate crimes and hate speeches.

What do you mean? Hate crimes already add a nice enhancement to the sentencing, and hate speech would still be protected speech as long as you aren't advocating for more violence. You could still preach Salafism and praise al-Qaeda and support jihad on September 12 OTL, you'd just be hated and bashed by everyone else and probably be on a watchlist. No one will be going to jail for hate speech, but they'd all be on watchlists (or otherwise excuses would be found to put them in jail). And as I said, most of the militia nut and white nationalist community were being monitered and a significant amount were government informants. That's why a place like Elohim City was/is allowed to exist, although I could see Elohim City being raided by the feds and people celebrating for the same reason the US invaded Afghanistan and people celebrated. Raiding a place like that would let people feel the government is doing something even if it isn't actually a major part in getting rid of the problem (and possibly causing harm since now the crazies can disperse instead of being gathered in one place).

I think That means Democrat and Green Party Wank, or is it just me?

Just Democrats, Green Party isn't going anywhere after all the vitriol aimed at Ralph Nader for being a spoiler and in general because third parties never win.
 
Given how the nation and media like to downplay this sort of stuff (like calling white terrorists or such "lone wolves",) here, the fact that far-right folk proceeded to hijack planes to crash into buildings and such and even attack the Pentagon would terrify alot of people, especially on how these would be people who are like the militila-like folk and such.

The huge amount of investigations done would also come into focus the racist elements of these groups.

How would the rest of the world react? I figure similar to 9/11, but given that this was done by Americian citizens and those who are against the government and with hard right-wing views, it'll provoke a large reaction.
 
There was a thread on this a month ago, and I explained how utterly improbable it is since there was not a far-right group back then (nor now) that could pull off a 9/11 attack on the Twin Towers let alone do it with four planes. It would literally have to be an inside job, or otherwise the most colossal failure in the history of the American intelligence community since they would be allowing a foreign power (who? Russia? Iran? China? One of Bush's "Axis of Evil"?) to link up with domestic terrorists and give them the capacity to pull off the attack without the three-letter agencies noticing. The American far-right was quite well-monitered after the events of the 90s, and lone wolf terrorists do not have the capability to execute a 9/11 style attack.

What do you mean? Hate crimes already add a nice enhancement to the sentencing, and hate speech would still be protected speech as long as you aren't advocating for more violence. You could still preach Salafism and praise al-Qaeda and support jihad on September 12 OTL, you'd just be hated and bashed by everyone else and probably be on a watchlist. No one will be going to jail for hate speech, but they'd all be on watchlists (or otherwise excuses would be found to put them in jail). And as I said, most of the militia nut and white nationalist community were being monitered and a significant amount were government informants. That's why a place like Elohim City was/is allowed to exist, although I could see Elohim City being raided by the feds and people celebrating for the same reason the US invaded Afghanistan and people celebrated. Raiding a place like that would let people feel the government is doing something even if it isn't actually a major part in getting rid of the problem (and possibly causing harm since now the crazies can disperse instead of being gathered in one place).

Just Democrats, Green Party isn't going anywhere after all the vitriol aimed at Ralph Nader for being a spoiler and in general because third parties never win.

I didn't know there was another thread like this. Although tehcnically speaking, alot of the groups like ISIS and such are far-right on the political spectrum. They are violent reactionries who rely primarily on military force and advocate strict adherence to tradition and religion, specifiically their view of traditions and interpretation of religion.

Then again, most people don't expect things like school shootings or things like that, so I figure it could be similar here. Nothing about them seemed odd at the time.
 
The problem is that the groups mentioned do not have the history or ideology for a suicide/kamikaze attack.

An attack on the Twin Towers with aircraft is by it's nature a suicide mission. It requires a whole different level of commitment than found in any domestic fringe group, right or left.
 
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An attack on the Twin Towers with aircraft is by it's nature a suicide mission. It requires a whole different level of commitment than found in any domestic fringe group, right or left.

More likely truck bomb attacks like the first twin towers attack of the Oklahoma City attack, but writ large. Maybe some attempts at including toxic chemicals with the bombs. Multiple targets on the same day with multiple trucks.
 
Actually, it's far more credible for the first WTC bombing to be caused by far right (jumbo OKC).

In 2001, because of the scrutiny on far-right groups, the much more likely domestic one would be something like the Earth Liberation Front spreading some lethal disease or bombing a chemical plant.
 

Wimble Toot

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All right, I know there are more than a few 9/11 threads, but this one is different because it asks you, what if it was an interior threat?

Strangely enough, the first prediction of an aerial terrorist attack on the Pentagon came from the extreme right

I think if Neo-Nazis hijacked one airliner with suicidal intent they'd probably crash it into Queensbridge Houses, not WTC.
 
Question:

Has there ever been any sort of attack on or in New York City carried out by far-right, anti-NWO militia types? I know the city has all the things that those guys are supposed to hate, Jews, Wall Street, decadent cultural values etc. but for some reason, it doesn't seem to have attracted much actual violence from those quarters. I'm guessing that the city isn't really on the radar for most of them, in the same way that Washington DC(which of course represents the hated federal government) is. And even with the feds, most of the militia-types seem content to just go after local representatives of said government(FBI agents, the Murrah building etc), rather than travel all the way to DC and launch an attack on Babylon Central.
 
An alternative would be a group organizing simultaneous bombings/shootings at multiple abortion clinics. A dozen trigger pullers killing & maiming three dozen clinic employees & bystanders would have as much psychological impact as 2-3 truck bombings.
 
Given how the nation and media like to downplay this sort of stuff (like calling white terrorists or such "lone wolves",) here, the fact that far-right folk proceeded to hijack planes to crash into buildings and such and even attack the Pentagon would terrify alot of people, especially on how these would be people who are like the militila-like folk and such.

The huge amount of investigations done would also come into focus the racist elements of these groups.

How would the rest of the world react? I figure similar to 9/11, but given that this was done by Americian citizens and those who are against the government and with hard right-wing views, it'll provoke a large reaction.

But OKC and other terrorist attacks in the 90s (Aryan Republican Army, Eric Rudolph, etc.) were basically lone wolves/small groups, compared to the well-financed and very large networks like al-Qaeda. But to carry out an equivalent of 9/11 means they'd need a much bigger network.

Oh, it would provoke a large global reaction, but ultimately it's an American problem and the Taliban and others can rest easy knowing that the heat's off them for a while. Meanwhile, Osama bin Laden and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed are pissed that a bunch of infidels stole their idea years in the making and because of it, airport security is now too high to carry out the attacks on the US as planned.

More likely truck bomb attacks like the first twin towers attack of the Oklahoma City attack, but writ large. Maybe some attempts at including toxic chemicals with the bombs. Multiple targets on the same day with multiple trucks.

Yeah, in theory you can collapse the WTC using the same tactics as Ramzi Yousef (truck bombing in basement), and I guess do an OKC on the Pentagon. But the Pentagon is obviously very secure from a ground attack like that, and I can't imagine it would be easy to copy the first WTC bombing in the years after OKC. For your fourth attack, who knows. Maybe an actual aircraft hijacking. As noted, neo-Nazis wrote about it in the infamous Turner Diaries. Tom Clancy wrote about a 9/11 style aircraft hijacking with the goal being to fly it into a major target. The Columbine shooters fantasized about hijacking planes and flying them into buildings. The idea was around, so I'd assume our far-right group could find someone to do it.
 
I'd say a far right group would be far more likely to go after a politically symbolic targets than attacking the twin towers. The Oklahoma city attacks had a logic to them if you consider exactly what agencies where in the building.

For a right wing group it would be more about making a political statement that they can use for domestic propaganda purposes. Al Qaeda's choice of targets for 9/11 was dictated by similar logic, the intended audience was not the U.S. but rather the Muslim sphere.


The U.S. has plenty of targets that would be right wing terrorists could target. In New York City you've got a target that would be very significant for them. The United Nations building which they would regard as a hive of villainy.

D.C.has plenty of targets ranging from the World Bank and IMF both being practically next to the White House which is a target in its own right. Then there's the headquarters of federal departments and agencies. Not to forget the Supreme court or the Capitol or all the monuments and memorials.
 
Look, the point isn't to look at plausability of it (otherwise, the entire point of alternate history may as well be questioned), but examining what would be the after-effects and rammifications and the like? How would this affect the Bush adminsitration for starts?
 

Wimble Toot

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In New York City you've got a target that would be very significant for them. The United Nations building which they would regard as a hive of villainy.


Big, obvious building full of lizard people ;) would be the primary target


and IMF both being practically next to the White House which is a target in its own right.

If you can see it from the air - the hijackers of Flight 77 couldn't spot it from the air while spiraling down from 7000 feet, so I doubt Chad and Brad Millitiaman from Missouri would have any more luck.
 
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