What if: 1888 the Year of the Four Kaisers

but Otto Von Bismarck preferred a weak monarch and political crisis because it strengthened his control on the contry. Changing the constitution to allow Prince Henry the throne is a bad precedent to set.

no monarchy has avoided the eldest son of a king over the king's brother.
Well,a number of places did do it,like the HRE for example.Frederick II of HRE did not succeed his father to the throne directly--he succeeded his uncle even though he was already elected King of the Romans when his father died.


But I agree,after the early-modern period where states are more or less quite stable,people simply don't pass the throne over someone higher up in the succession order.
 
The Holy Roman Emperor was an electable monarch anyway not a good example lol.

So what constitution article is written to make Prince Henry king over his nephew.
 

Anderman

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The separation of the Kaiser from King of Prussia means the end of the Second Reich and the re establishment of the weak Holy Roman Empire. An Emperor that did not rule in Prussia would have no real power, no army and just ignored by every ruler in the realm

Sorry but you can not seperate Kaiser from King of Prussia. Because it is not a personal union Article 11 of the constitution states

Article 11

The King of Prussia shall be the President of the Confederation, and shall have the title of German Emperor. The Emperor shall represent the Empire among nations, declare war, and conclude peace in the name of the same, enter into alliances and other conventions with foreign countries, accredit ambassadors, and receive them.

or in german if you can read it:

rt. 11 Das Präsidium des Bundes steht dem Könige von Preußen zu, welcher den Namen Deutscher Kaiser führt. Der Kaiser hat das Reich völkerrechtlich zu vertreten, im Namen des Reichs Krieg zu erklären und Frieden zu schließen, Bündnisse und andere Verträge mit fremden Staaten einzugehen, Gesandte zu beglaubigen und zu empfangen.

Not King of Prussia not German Emperor (and not Emperor of Germany)
 
Sorry but you can not seperate Kaiser from King of Prussia. Because it is not a personal union Article 11 of the constitution states



or in german if you can read it:



Not King of Prussia not German Emperor (and not Emperor of Germany)

I'm aware of the Imperial German Constitution. However the OP of the htread explicity caled for the constitution to be amended with Heinrich as Emperor and his nephew as King of Prussia
 

Anderman

Donor
I'm aware of the Imperial German Constitution. However the OP of the htread explicity caled for the constitution to be amended with Heinrich as Emperor and his nephew as King of Prussia

Ok you got me didn´t read it :biggrin: sorry. But is realy unlikely that this would happened it went against whole set up of the empire. The Emperor would now be a real Crown before this amenemt the King of Prussia was more a primus inter pares. The Kings of Saxony, Bavaria etc wouldn´t like that. The new Emperor wouldn´t have a vote in the Bundesrat, the votes of Prussia still belong to Prussia. Further several military treaties (some of thies treaites are mentioned in the constitution some don´t) between Prussian and Saxony stated that this states will put their forces under the command of King of Prussia or Prussia. The constitution made the Emperor thesupreme commander of the armed forces. No problem under the old system but you will have problem if you split Emperor and King of Prussia.

So your amentment is in the end a rewrite of the eterhal alliance as the preamble says...
 
Without it explained as to how Prince Henry succeeds to the throne in 1888, its hard to say how his reign will go. If it is a result of a political assassination or terror attack the reign may begin with world war starting in the late 1880s rather than in the mid 1910s.

But in 1888 would it be a world war?

Anglo-German relations were still pretty good, and German military plans did not include an invasion of Belgium, so it's probably limited to the Continent.
 
But in 1888 would it be a world war?

Anglo-German relations were still pretty good, and German military plans did not include an invasion of Belgium, so it's probably limited to the Continent.
It depends on who assassinated the monarch. If it was an organisation like the "black hand gang" it depends on which nation they are linked with. A world war in 1880 could have Anglo-German alliance against the terrorist group attacking monarchs.
 
Without it explained as to how Prince Henry succeeds to the throne in 1888, its hard to say how his reign will go. If it is a result of a political assassination or terror attack the reign may begin with world war starting in the late 1880s rather than in the mid 1910s.

I said in my first post that there has been a change in the constitution. That made its possible that Heinrich takes the throne of the Kaiser and his nephew will become King of Prussia when he is of age.
 
I said in my first post that there has been a change in the constitution. That made its possible that Heinrich takes the throne of the Kaiser and his nephew will become King of Prussia when he is of age.

But hwo Reichtag, speciality Conservative, could accept that. And how sell idea for Prussians and other German monarchs. They surely not agree such thing. And how sell that stealing of birthright for Wilhelm II's son? There is just too many problems on future if Reichtag ever accept such constitutional change. If you want Heinrich to throne easiest way is just kill Wilhelm before he gets his son or Wilhelm's sons die before their father.
 
It's not about for me to get Heinrich on the throne.

What I'm interested in are the consequences for Germany and the world when the scenario happens like I played it out. The good, the bad and the ugly.
 
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