What happens to the Indian Territory after a CSA victory?

What happens to the Indian Territory after a CSA victory?

  • Stays in the USA after the war

    Votes: 14 18.2%
  • Joins the CSA after the war

    Votes: 49 63.6%
  • Gains Indepence with CSA support and protection

    Votes: 11 14.3%
  • Gains full Indepence from both the CSA and USA

    Votes: 3 3.9%

  • Total voters
    77
The confederate government was a little less empathic than that of the Union.
What would they do different? Not much but I'd be a lot more open about it. With no hide or try to Justify their actions then just do a little faster.

I think the bigger factor in the speeding up of a forced integration system is less one of empathy and more of space. Johnny Reb just doesn't have the same amount of prarie to push them onto as the white settler demand for land grows, so at some point they'll be a polician who tried to make political hay by pushing to kick the red men off the land and sell it on the cheap
 
I just don't see the CSA surviving in the first place. The slavery issue is too big.

One of the main reasons why the CSA was blocked from expanding slavery in the territories taken in the Mexican-American war was because slavery was an economic necessity for them. They wanted to turn the midwest into a gigantic cotton field. Cotton was collapsing in price, while the cost of upkeep to a slave remained the same. They would push to gain as much land as possible, or collapse. Maybe some of the slaveowners form corporations to make agreements with the pro-CSA tribes.... Or maybe the Confederacy collapses from an economic crisis... Let's not forget that in some places the majority of the population is with black slaves, and natives who are unsettled with the new rulership. What's to stop the union from inciting a series of slave revolts to beat the south into submission?
 
If the Indian Territory did gain full independence, would if be like Switzerland, and try (try) to stay neutral in wars between the CSA and USA?
 
The confederate government was a little less empathic than that of the Union.
What would they do different? Not much but I'd be a lot more open about it. With no hide or try to Justify their actions then just do a little faster.

In a region where states are more powerful than their northern counterparts, and the locals fought on the side that won I think the CSA would have a much harder time enacting an Indian removal than the north did.
 
In a region where states are more powerful than their northern counterparts, and the locals fought on the side that won I think the CSA would have a much harder time enacting an Indian removal than the north did.
Cotton farming burns the soil out pretty fast one of the big reasons all the Civil War was plantation owners needed to move two more fertile land and take their slave with them.
Their strategy would be to send in private citizens to conduct raids, when the Native Americans retaliated they would send in the Confederate Army "To protect white citizens".
It wouldn't be as organized as how the United States did it but it would be more brutal.
 
I know one thing, if the Indian Territory did gain full independence, they’ll be very poor, and have to find a way to make money fast
 

BlondieBC

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Tribes fought on different sides, or on an individual basis. I don't think most of them went out fitness he way to support either side. Seems int eh Dakota War settlers attacked the Natives whenthe Army left. Anyone know if there was still slavery in the Indian Territory or if the Georgians and others made the Five Civilized Tribes to leave their slaves behind when they were being expelled? Texas probably tries grabbing Greer County. I see future awkwardness if the Confederates don't invade Mexico, as they are going to want more land. Even if Oklahoma had some of the worse,

Oklahoma's Indian Tribes fought with south in Western Arkansas. If CSA win, the Indians get what they want. Each of the five nations is effectively a CSA state or one big state. The only real questions are the degree of autonomy and representation in the CSA government.

We also have to dance around the issue it takes a lot for the CSA to win. And it matters a lot why the CSA wins. How these play out will impact the politics with many butterflies.
 
I read a pretty good Independent Indian Nation Timeline from the Napoleon's Victory Timeline

Indian Territory

The Treaty of Dublin effectively split the North American continent from almost complete American control. The vast swaths of land to the Far West were still relatively unsettled at the end of the Civil War although among the few thousand settlers there, talk of secession raged in many local meeting halls. The creation of a “Western United States” was actively discussed but the ideas were shot down by 1866 with the arrival of many Federal soldiers from the east, intent on keeping order from the Spanish, Indians and Western rabble-rousers.

The Indian Territory, courted by the Confederates during the war but in name controlled by the United States was the subject of intense bargaining between the Davis and McClellan administrations. Still very much a collection of dozens of Indian tribes from across the United States and Confederate States, the only unifying force in the land was the American territorial government. As the Treaty of Dublin stated, the Indian Nation question was to be solved by 1867 and both nations quickly set out to do so. After months of ideas (including the abolition of that territory, splitting that territory, a plebiscite, remaining the United States, going to the Confederate States) the idea of independence from either country was settled on. The Treaty of Shreveport, as that was the town it was signed in, was signed on December 15th, 1866 and it granted a total independence to the newly created Federated Tribes of North America, or popularly known as Indian Nation.

The top chiefs among the largest tribes in the Indian Territory were consulted in the formation of the Treaty of Shreveport so it was not merely a white creation to rid them of the Indian problem. One clause of the treaty, put it by the Americans, stated that neither nation shall dominate that nation politically, militarily and economically. Thus, due to the intense rivalry between the United States and Confederate States, the Native Americans were granted total independence in their corner of the continent.

The system of government employed by the Federated Tribes of North America was a unique system but justifiable due to the unusual situation the Indians found themselves in. Each tribe would get representation in a House of Representatives which would have veto power over the Council of Chiefs. However, that veto would only come in the form of a three-fourths vote or more. The Council of Chiefs would be selected from the largest twenty tribes in the nation, and among those twenty one would be chosen as the Head Chief, who would rule until death. Elections for representatives were uniform across the whole country but the chief selection process was unique to each individual tribes. It was important to the Indians that each tribe remain intact and that not all Indians be meshed together so much more power was put into the lower forms of government while the national government remained relatively weak, although ultimate power was with the Council of Chiefs.
 
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