What happens to Poland if the Whites won the Russian Civil War

Depends, if there's something both Poland and Russia probably would agree on is that Ukraine is a geographical term, and any aberration there is temporary. Then again Poland could reluctantly back a independent Ukraine against Russia.
So wouldn't it make Russia have tensions with Poland throughout the 1920s and the 30s and maybe have some plans to take it back? With the threat of Russia does that make Poland have closer relations with the Germans?
 
Without communism as a threat why would Germany turn to someone as ah radical as Hitler? Without the USSR being a thing to scare people I'd bet on a conservative military regime under someone like say Goering instead.

Hitler ranted about multiple monsters under the bed, and the largest was the extermination of the Aryans by Jewish controled Slavs. In his narrative the Bolshiviks were part of the overarching Jewish conspricy.

It does not matter much what governments there are in the east. In the Nazi narrative the necessity to save the Aryans is the destruction of the Slavic nation's. This fit a view among many Germans that predated Marx.
 
Hitler ranted about multiple monsters under the bed, and the largest was the extermination of the Aryans by Jewish controled Slavs. In his narrative the Bolshiviks were part of the overarching Jewish conspricy.

It does not matter much what governments there are in the east. In the Nazi narrative the necessity to save the Aryans is the destruction of the Slavic nation's. This fit a view among many Germans that predated Marx.
Well yeah but they weren't an inevitable thing.
 
White Russia would have serious troubles in keeping control over Central Asia, Caucasus, (would propably lost Transcaucasia), expanding into Poland in such conditions would not be good idea.
 
So wouldn't it make Russia have tensions with Poland throughout the 1920s and the 30s and maybe have some plans to take it back? With the threat of Russia does that make Poland have closer relations with the Germans?
One issue with this is the Corridor which means Polish-German relations are going to be strained but you could see the Germans willing to support Poland as a buffer state to Russian expansionism if some agreement is reached on the Corridor.
 
One issue with this is the Corridor which means Polish-German relations are going to be strained but you could see the Germans willing to support Poland as a buffer state to Russian expansionism if some agreement is reached on the Corridor.
Russian expansionism would not be like ideology driven Soviet expansionism. White Russia doesn't need to spread ideology to other nations (Soviets IOTL were obsessed with possibility of German communist revolution, that would help them to spread communism over whole Europe), White Russia simply have less ambitions and Russians were already aware, that keeping Poland is troublesome. There could be border tensions over Volhynia and Western Belarus, but these lands are not worth much, they're money sinks. Poland took so much IOTL after experience of Battle of Warsaw to keep Soviets as far from capital as possible and to eventually trade some of these lands for peace or for gains in the west. And if Poles had to choose between Corridor and Eastern Borderlands, choice would be obvious.
 
White Russia would have serious troubles in keeping control over Central Asia, Caucasus, (would propably lost Transcaucasia), expanding into Poland in such conditions would not be good idea.
Why Caucasus? The Ottoman Empire already collapsed at that time so it wouldn't be powerful to prevent itself from being taken over.
 
Russian expansionism would not be like ideology driven Soviet expansionism. White Russia doesn't need to spread ideology to other nations (Soviets IOTL were obsessed with possibility of German communist revolution, that would help them to spread communism over whole Europe), White Russia simply have less ambitions and Russians were already aware, that keeping Poland is troublesome. There could be border tensions over Volhynia and Western Belarus, but these lands are not worth much, they're money sinks. Poland took so much IOTL after experience of Battle of Warsaw to keep Soviets as far from capital as possible and to eventually trade some of these lands for peace or for gains in the west. And if Poles had to choose between Corridor and Eastern Borderlands, choice would be obvious.
Does that mean the borders are the same as they were after 1923 in our timeline?
 

xsampa

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Given that White Russian movements and their predecessors, such as the Black Hundred, favored the _Russian_ ethnicity over all others in the Empire/Union/whatever they called it, it is not unimaginable that they would allow the nominal independence of Turkestan [Central Asia minus Kazakhstan, which had loads of Russian settlers and remained part of Russia during the RCW] and the Caucasus to reduce the number of non-Russians living there.
 
Given that White Russian movements and their predecessors, such as the Black Hundred, favored the _Russian_ ethnicity over all others in the Empire/Union/whatever they called it, it is not unimaginable that they would allow the nominal independence of Turkestan [Central Asia minus Kazakhstan, which had loads of Russian settlers and remained part of Russia during the RCW] and the Caucasus to reduce the number of non-Russians living there.
There was Alash Orda government there.
 

xsampa

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According to the map “Ephemeral States of the Russian Civil War” and the wiki article on Alash Orda/autonomy, the Red and White forces controlled large portions of Alash claimed territory, so my point that Kazakhstan remained part of Russia stands.
 
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