What happens to Latin America if the Axis wins?

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I mean, would they go all out and try to destroy them or just leave them alone, Ive been curious about this for a while.
 

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I think US would make double sure to keep countries there friendly.
What happens to the USA if the Axis wins, if the Axis kicks the Alies hard enough, is it pssoible they knock the USA down completley enough so that it cant hep Latin America?
 
What happens to the USA if the Axis wins, if the Axis kicks the Alies hard enough, is it pssoible they knock the USA down completley enough so that it cant hep Latin America?
Not without venturing into the ASB forum

The best the Axis can hope with the US is a "screw you guys I'm going home" style stalemate, they can't inflict a lasting defeat

So the USA still is just as powerful as OTL, but more angry
 

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Not without venturing into the ASB forum

The best the Axis can hope with the US is a "screw you guys I'm going home" style stalemate, they can't inflict a lasting defeat

So the USA still is just as powerful as OTL, but more angry
so it would be basicaly be an East-West Cold War still just different ideolgies and a much closer relation between the USA and Latin America?
 
so it would be basicaly be an East-West Cold War still just different ideolgies and a much closer relation between the USA and Latin America?
Pretty much, but don't expect the Axis to make as many friends as the Soviets did, fascism does not export well
 

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So wait

If a Cold War develpos, which way would Spain swing, and how ultimate could the Axis advances be?
 
Pretty much, but don't expect the Axis to make as many friends as the Soviets did, fascism does not export well

No, certainly. But I see many nationalist movements who might see fascism as the lesser evil, if only because fascist powers are too far to harm us. IOTL, many nationalist movements denounced both British and American economic "imperialist" policies in Latin America. They expressed their admiration of the Hispanic roots of Latin America, and saw the "Anglo" world as the enemy (and the cause of most of Latin American problems). Some of these movements had some sympaties for fascism, even AFTER WWII (!), as was the case of the leaders of the 1952 Bolivian revolution who nationalized the mines and gave land to the Indians.

So, seen from outside, I don't see such a different scenario than the one of OTL cold world, with the US trying to keep Latin America under they control, and governments here or there occasionaly changing sides and trying to ally with the other band.

Internally, however, within Latin America, things might be very different, as the groups which supported USSR within each Latin American country won't automatically support the Axis, and nor would the groups which IOTL backed the US support them in this scenario. But this doesn't mean that the opposite it's true. Different class and sectorial alliances will be established.

It's hard to say which. Much deppends on what happens to the USSR and communism. Is the USSR still alive? Has communism lost all prestige, or is it still a thriving ideology?
 
If a Cold War develpos, which way would Spain swing, and how ultimate could the Axis advances be?

If the Axis control france and Britain is defeated, Spain would probably support the Axis. There will be an internal resistance, specially among the Basques, but the government would be pro Axis.
 

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We need a map

can someone make a map of a post WW2 Axis victory using this info but not being asb about with allainces and other natiosn on it?
 
What happens to the USA if the Axis wins...

The real question is -- how does the Axis win? So much of Latin America's fate depends on how the US fares, and that really depends upon the PoD. They may hold onto the Western Hemisphere as a "sphere of influence", or they may not pose a serious challenge to Japanese and German ambitions in the region, or they may even be one of the Axis, making it a moot point.

For example, my favorite PoD for an outright Axis "win" is your typical Zangara kills President FDR -- doesn't take you to full "Man in the High Castle" territory, but it does open the 1930's to becoming a lot more socially and economically chaotic for the US, making sure they're in no position to help Europe or even really stand up to Japan. In this kind of scenario, I can see the US struggling to build the war machine the home front of OTL was, in defense of the Pacific Territories, or even the Monroe Doctrine.

So what happens to Latin America? While I seriously doubt either Nazi Europe or the Japanese Empire will do anything so crazy as to send navies to invade South America, I can see certain governments in the region going fascist (if they haven't already), then forming economic and military alliances with one or more of the Axis powers, while the US is in no real position to stop them. This may even start a later war as said government tries to establish itself as dominant in South America...
 

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Thats a realy good POD. What we need is a map on how bad it gets while still keeping it plausible, and as all of my maps suck, someone besides me should make it.
 
FDR was afraid that in case of a Nazi victory in Europe, they'd also control Africa, start to influence Latin America and even split the US, because the South wants to sell their cotton.
 

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FDR was afraid that in case of a Nazi victory in Europe, they'd also control Africa, start to influence Latin America and even split the US, because the South wants to sell their cotton.

Really? That's interesting. What's the source? I'd like to know more.
 
I read it in a German book by Ralph Giordano, "Wenn Hitler den Krieg gewonnen hätte: Die Pläne der Nazis nach dem Endsieg". Unfortunately I don't own it, I always read it in the library. But it's a must for AH fans.
 
I mean, would they go all out and try to destroy them or just leave them alone, Ive been curious about this for a while.

Only way the Axis wins, is if the Nazis somehow figure out a way to make the US not get involved with Europe and just take down Japan, and even then they will have to focus all their concentration on the Soviets. With no attack on Italy, the fortunes in 1943 might be reversed, or the setbacks may not be permanent. Its also very likely that the Soviets and the Germans may eventually just sue for peace. So going off of this idea, the Germans will be the dominant power in Europe, but Latin America? German plans, for some fucking reason, assumed that the superiority of German goods would allow them to supplement the USA as Latin America's main trading partner. Now thats not gonna happen, and if the Germans try to back one of the local Fascists, they'll find the US is no stranger to coups. Either way, the Americans will keep the Germans out of the Western Hemisphere.

Now if you're asking what would happen to South America in an ASB "LOLZ WINNING" every single goal of expansion met, lets see. The Japanese intended on annexing Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Chile and the western portion of Venezuela as a part of the Government-General of Central America. Along with all of Central America, Mexico was iffy, and Cuba. The Germans planned to support ethnically appropriate governments in each nation, excluding territory ceded to the Japanese, but had no plans for annexing any territory.
 
I read it in a German book by Ralph Giordano, "Wenn Hitler den Krieg gewonnen hätte: Die Pläne der Nazis nach dem Endsieg". Unfortunately I don't own it, I always read it in the library. But it's a must for AH fans.

Is it available in English and/or French?
 

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I mean, would they go all out and try to destroy them or just leave them alone, Ive been curious about this for a while.

Absolutely nothing in the short term, since nobody really cares that much (Except the Japanese who would get hit hard with Imperial overstretch long before they took over parts of South America,) and many Latin Nations are on pretty much the same line as Portugal and the Romanians are (IE, they're ostensibly Facsists, but it's the same faces and families it's been since independence.)

Meanwhile Brazil, now the Big Kid in the region, starts to play the recovering US and UK against Germany and Japan to get the best deals possible for everything. By 2000 it wouldn't surprise me if they weren't one of the top 3 economies around. Argentina would be maybe number 6 or 7, and Chile would also be in the Top 10.
 
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