What else is there to know about Emperor Max of Mexico?

M79 I COULD KISS YOU!!! Some of the stuff you just wrote is gold to my eyes. I just have a few problems though.
  1. Why would the CSA start guerilla warfare this way?
  2. How is Jeb Stuart still alive and what does Lee die of so soon?
  3. A little of topic put with Sherman's March delayed in such a way does he ever reach Savanna or the Carolina's?
  4. I do still want Nap III to fall but most think that a succesfil 2nd MX Empire would prevent the Franco-Prussian war the dethrones him. Why does it still occur in your TL? Do you have any other ideas about how to dethrone him?
  5. How sure are you that the Guatemalans would rebel to goin Mexico?
 
If you can find a way to kill off Benito Juarez, Max reign may well have succeeded. Juarez dying will probably cause quite the stir in the republican forces and more than a few will switch sides to Max. Once this happens, the Americans will come around at some point.

If you read Imperial Adventurer by Joan Haslip, Max seemed pretty keen to marry his younger brother off to the Brazilians (how likely this is is debatable), so you could end up with a Hapsburg Brazil as well as Mexico.

Max was also really big into major projects, so you could probably see a number of palaces and and other ventures getting built in and around Mexico City. AND depending on when he "wins" the civil war, he may not adopt the Iterbide children and he and Charlotte may try and have a child of their own. the church will also likely see major reforms, probably to the benefit of the average Mexican.

Having said all this, he was basically hamstrung his whole time there by the deals he signed with the French, so a lot of Mexican wealth will probably end up in France...

All in all, I like to think Maximillian's Mexico would have have been quite a bit better than OTL Mexico, but given that we have such a short reign to go off of, it's tough to say. Max did do an excellent job when he was in charge in Italy though, so I think he could have done a stand up job in Mexico.
Have Juárez die of a stroke as he did OTL. It will have to come earlier, though. However, we are still going to have a few unpleasant fellows such as Porfirio Díaz, and other Radical Liberals that have to be taken care of (specially Díaz, who had a propensity to bribe everyone in sight). And there's also the fact that there were still a lot of conservative hardliners who will have to be dealt with ASAP so that they won't derail his policies.

And considering that Max really respected him, you might expect that any future references to him would be of a "worthy opponent" who seemed to be at the wrong side of the field; a somewhat romanticized portrayal, in contrast to characters such as Santa Anna.

As for 1870 and onwards, it will be definitively better. Specially for the indigenous minorities, as the monarchs had a genuine interest on them getting better.


M79 I COULD KISS YOU!!! Some of the stuff you just wrote is gold to my eyes. I just have a few problems though.
  1. Why would the CSA start guerilla warfare this way?
  2. How is Jeb Stuart still alive and what does Lee die of so soon?
  3. A little of topic put with Sherman's March delayed in such a way does he ever reach Savanna or the Carolina's?
  4. I do still want Nap III to fall but most think that a succesfil 2nd MX Empire would prevent the Franco-Prussian war the dethrones him. Why does it still occur in your TL? Do you have any other ideas about how to dethrone him?
  5. How sure are you that the Guatemalans would rebel to goin Mexico?
About the Guatemalans: Up to 1871, Guatemala was quite unstable, with the Los Altos region threatening with secession and a near constant state of warfare between liberal and conservative factions. Mexico can pull off something similar to what the U.S. did during the Mexican-American war if they manage to take out Justo Rufino Barrios before he manages to get into power.
 
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This is ALTERNATE history remember? I just want to gather as much info as I can for an ATL I want to write by asking others to post info, facts, and ideas involving Emperor Maximilian of Mexico on this thread that have not been shared or discussed on others as of yet.
 
Some of the stuff you just wrote is gold to my eyes. I just have a few problems though.
  1. Why would the CSA start guerilla warfare this way?
  2. How is Jeb Stuart still alive and what does Lee die of so soon?
  3. A little of topic put with Sherman's March delayed in such a way does he ever reach Savanna or the Carolina's?
  4. I do still want Nap III to fall but most think that a succesfil 2nd MX Empire would prevent the Franco-Prussian war the dethrones him. Why does it still occur in your TL? Do you have any other ideas about how to dethrone him?
  5. How sure are you that the Guatemalans would rebel to goin Mexico?

Robert E Lee died in 1870 and the events of April 1865 probably prevented a great deal of guerilla warfare from emerging across the South. The timely, orderly surrendering of armies and his position as the leading general of the South advocating peace meant a lot. From his journals he had what might have been a mild heart attack on the 1st or 2nd day of Gettysburg, so he was already in trouble from a health standpoint. If he dies and the surrender is chaotic or looks suspicious, what would stop thousands of angry volunteers from taking to the hills and fighting incursions for another 5-15 years? The Union might control the cities and railways most of the time but the people and backwoods are another matter entirely. If they are having to garrison troops throughout the South, especially in parts of Alabama, Mississippi, the Carolinas, and Louisiana, then they will not have that many to spare for some foreign adventure that props up a quasi-friendly nation with claims on our southern frontier.

A successcul Mexican expedition is unlikely to have an impact on the North German Federation's move against France, it might alter the timing but not by much. Unless there are massive butterflies then Bismarck will have his war. Without Sedan the Germans might be slowed, but barring the backing of the UK, USA, or combination of others it makes little to no difference. Much as Royal France played its hand in making the USA before its demise so might Imperial France give rise to an Imperial Mexico before its own downfall.

Guatemala is a state on the verge of implosion in 1870 with conditions similar to Mexico in 1864 with haciendas employing serfs/slaves, the church and cabal of landowners running everything, and a secession crisis already brewing. If their northern neighbor and former master Mexico can do it while allowing the Guatemalans some level of autonomy, I think it's a strong possibility they move to a strong Mexico that can provide order and stability. El Salvador, Honduras, and Nicaragua join within the following 15 years and Mexico profits greatly from the Canal along its southern border. Costa Rica prefers a master who speaks its own language and who helps them build the railway between Puerto Limon, San Jose, and Mexico City by 1888 (in OTL an American businessman did this). Panama remains in the hands of Colombia until 1890 when Mexican "assistance" liberates the nation as a satellite and buffer state.

For extra kicks I figured a stronger Mexican navy might be able to wrestle Hawaii into its sphere if it protects Mexican interests during the coup in 1894, as a result the internationally recognized Kindgom of Hawai'i becomes very friendly towards Mexico City and its large merchant marine (which has grown greatly due to exemption from tolls at the San Luis Canal). Mexico might even be able to snag or buy a few Caribbean possessions from a desperate UK during WWI and help Cuba gain independence from Spain - Mausers vs Mondragons would be an impressive fight and the industrial power of the two countries could be evenly matched by 1895. By 1910 there is a Mexican Empire with satellites in Panama, Hawai'i, Cuba, and perhaps another country or two. Perhaps Panama becomes a Department of the Empire and Colombia becomes a target with Baranquilla potentially answering to Mexico City or set up as a Danzig-like free port. Or perhaps Puerto Rico, the Phillipines, and other islands make tempting targets. Her merchant marine is strong, her navy is disproportionate, and her technical/scientific establishment may not be among the leading powers but is still quite formidable. Her ordinary citizens enjoy a standard of living roughly equal to those in the Southern United States with some areas being farther ahead. But as war looms in Europe where will the opportunities lie for an Empire with no other room to grow?
 
Robert E Lee died in 1870 and the events of April 1865 probably prevented a great deal of guerilla warfare from emerging across the South. The timely, orderly surrendering of armies and his position as the leading general of the South advocating peace meant a lot. From his journals he had what might have been a mild heart attack on the 1st or 2nd day of Gettysburg, so he was already in trouble from a health standpoint. If he dies and the surrender is chaotic or looks suspicious, what would stop thousands of angry volunteers from taking to the hills and fighting incursions for another 5-15 years? The Union might control the cities and railways most of the time but the people and backwoods are another matter entirely. If they are having to garrison troops throughout the South, especially in parts of Alabama, Mississippi, the Carolinas, and Louisiana, then they will not have that many to spare for some foreign adventure that props up a quasi-friendly nation with claims on our southern frontier.

A successcul Mexican expedition is unlikely to have an impact on the North German Federation's move against France, it might alter the timing but not by much. Unless there are massive butterflies then Bismarck will have his war. Without Sedan the Germans might be slowed, but barring the backing of the UK, USA, or combination of others it makes little to no difference. Much as Royal France played its hand in making the USA before its demise so might Imperial France give rise to an Imperial Mexico before its own downfall.

Guatemala is a state on the verge of implosion in 1870 with conditions similar to Mexico in 1864 with haciendas employing serfs/slaves, the church and cabal of landowners running everything, and a secession crisis already brewing. If their northern neighbor and former master Mexico can do it while allowing the Guatemalans some level of autonomy, I think it's a strong possibility they move to a strong Mexico that can provide order and stability. El Salvador, Honduras, and Nicaragua join within the following 15 years and Mexico profits greatly from the Canal along its southern border. Costa Rica prefers a master who speaks its own language and who helps them build the railway between Puerto Limon, San Jose, and Mexico City by 1888 (in OTL an American businessman did this). Panama remains in the hands of Colombia until 1890 when Mexican "assistance" liberates the nation as a satellite and buffer state.

For extra kicks I figured a stronger Mexican navy might be able to wrestle Hawaii into its sphere if it protects Mexican interests during the coup in 1894, as a result the internationally recognized Kindgom of Hawai'i becomes very friendly towards Mexico City and its large merchant marine (which has grown greatly due to exemption from tolls at the San Luis Canal). Mexico might even be able to snag or buy a few Caribbean possessions from a desperate UK during WWI and help Cuba gain independence from Spain - Mausers vs Mondragons would be an impressive fight and the industrial power of the two countries could be evenly matched by 1895. By 1910 there is a Mexican Empire with satellites in Panama, Hawai'i, Cuba, and perhaps another country or two. Perhaps Panama becomes a Department of the Empire and Colombia becomes a target with Baranquilla potentially answering to Mexico City or set up as a Danzig-like free port. Or perhaps Puerto Rico, the Phillipines, and other islands make tempting targets. Her merchant marine is strong, her navy is disproportionate, and her technical/scientific establishment may not be among the leading powers but is still quite formidable. Her ordinary citizens enjoy a standard of living roughly equal to those in the Southern United States with some areas being farther ahead. But as war looms in Europe where will the opportunities lie for an Empire with no other room to grow?
An independent Hawaii sounds interesting. But continued guerilla warfare after the ACW sounds like a sad way to keep Mexico under French influence, and I believe SilverSwimmer already used that in his TL The Discord That Follows. Do you know of any other ways besides that to keep Max on the throne? Also I was wondering if you could give any more reasons for why the Fraco-Prussian War may still happen since like I said most say it would be butterflied away and I'd like to know where to do some more researching.
 
Do you know of any other ways besides that to keep Max on the throne?
As I said before, Juarez must die (by natural causes; assassination will piss everyone off) or be captured. He was the only one giving legitimacy to the Republican government, since many members of the Liberal government eventually came to side with Maximiliano. That, and he was also too stubborn to actually collaborate with the Imperials.
 
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As I said before, Juarez must die (by natural causes; assassination will piss everyone off) or be captured. He was the only one giving legitimacy to the Republican government, since many members of the Liberal government eventually came to side with Maximiliano. That, and he was also too stubborn to actually collaborate with the Imperials.
Do you know of when the best oppertunity to capture him was during the war?
 
Do you know of when the best oppertunity to capture him was during the war?

May 1865. Juárez and his government were in Chihuahua. Have the French surround the city and siege it instead of the OTL gung-ho approach of bombarding the city.
 
If you can get the Empire stable, or at least passably stable, that's good for Mexico's economic future, especially since you'll likely see French investment. Also, I don't know how much conquest you'd see out of the Empire, but it would be interesting if they tried to grab an area that was worthy of a canal.


Mexico is unlikely to be more stable then it was under Diaz when they also had a lot of economic development, modernization and foreign investment.
 
Maximilian might've considered himself a Mexican patriot (his last words were "Viva Mexico!") but the public were not going to accept a European tyrant, however much investment he brought in.

Speaking of which, the US after the Civil War was NOT going to invest money in Mexico if it had become a de facto European colony. This would be considered a direct challenge to American military dominance of the continent. On this, both Yankee and ex-Reb would agree. Among Lincoln's last acts in office was preparing to ship arms to Mexican rebels.

A Mexican conservative could organize the Porfirato for Mexico. A superimposed Austrian liberal never could.
 
Because of the nightmare that resulted the last time Mexico and Texas had a conflict and that Max is a liberal, not a Prussian.

If being a liberal prevented Maximilian from attempting to conquer countries, he never would have accepted the position of Emperor of Mexico in the first place. Everybody was expansionistic in those days, not just the Prussians. Maximilian’s liberalism could even spark his desire to acquire Texas from the Confederacy as he would be freeing people from slavery. Throughout his life, Maximilian worked hard to prove he was better than his brother Franz-Joseph. If he can not just hold, but expand, he will prove that to Mexico, the world, and himself. Sure, Mexico might have lost the Texas War of Independence and the Mexican-American Wars, but the first was a fluke and the Confederates have a smaller free population than Mexico. Also, unlike those two wars, Maximilian has better generals than Santa Anna.
 
*1865: Sterling Price is able to escape into Mexico and takes a number of CSA troops with him. There is also some emigration from the CSA where wealthy planters seek refuge from a government they believe hostile to them. Robert E Lee unfortunately passes away in March 1865, leaving command of the Army of Northern Virginia to J.E.B. Stuart. A Confederate underground rises away from the major cities that reaches even into the West, where its most notorious members (OTL James Brothers) succeed in harassing the Transcontinental Railroad and robbing banks across the Midwest for years. Meanwhile in Mexico, Price is able lead forces into northwestern Mexico and smash what resistance remains.

Price was mediocre as a commander in OTL. There’s a couple points during the Overland Campaign where Lee’s behavior was nigh-suicidal, so his death in 1865 is very credible. Stuart was not the senior commander in the AoNV and by 1865 the main thing holding that army together was Lee. His death hastens the collapse of that army and the Confederacy.

Large numbers Confederates fled to Mexico in OTL. The James brothers robbed banks and railroads for years in OTL. The first Klan and similar groups took a decade to forcibly suppress in OTL. Why would all of these be more successful in TTL?

*1866-1870: As the US recuperates from the guerilla activity and the war dies down, Maximillian builds a surprisingly stable government out of Confederate resources, European investments, and local ingenuity.

What Confederate resources? And it’s going to take a long time to make Mexico stable – the liberals hated him because he’s a foreigner, and Emperor, and propped up by European power. A lot of the Conservatives hated Maximilian for being a foreigner and a liberal. If he suppresses the Juaristas, there’s a very strong chance Maximilian will be overthrown by a Conservative coup.

He is opposed by some of the conservative nobility and the Church but they are placated by his raising of his children as ardent Catholics along with his fathering two children (a son is actually that of Sterling Price from an affair shortly before his death in 1868 while a daughter is actually his).

Points to you for including something that doesn’t further you main thrust of wanking Mexico. OTOH, this isn’t very likely. Sterling Price was not Earl Van Dorn and old enough to be Carlotta's grandfather. Maximilian having children does not make his rule more stable. He and Carlotta had already adopted a couple grandchildren of Iturbide and named them as heirs. There will be plots and possibly coups or a revolt in favor of Maximilian’s adopted sons.

Guatemalans rebel from their old rule early in 1870 and by plebiscite seek to become part of Mexico because of the prosperity and increased freedom. Secretly many hope that the Empire can reunite Central America and break the backs of the cabals of large landowners that rule the banana republics. El Salvador follows when the price of indigo falls and border skirmishes with Honduras lead to an invasion of that nation in 1873. Washington protests but its navy is in a state of disrepair and the pains of reconstruction are still readily apparent, this causes Maximillian to quietly embark on a naval program of his own with more power concentrated in the Pacific. The Mosquito Coast (of Nicaragua OTL) is annexed by a plebiscite there in 1878 and the first steel steam cruisers of the Mexican Empire take to the sea quietly about the same time.

Maximilian was a naval enthusiast, but I’d expect him to focus on the Caribbean, not the Pacific. Even in disrepair, the US already has a navy and they’ll look on the rise of the Mexican navy with the same enthusiasm the British showed towards the rise of the German Navy. There will be a naval arms race, which the US will win. For that matter, Britain has interests in the area and they won’t like Mexican expansion, either.

Very few smaller countries have willingly giving up their sovereignty to join a larger nation. The attempts for Central America in OTL involved uniting to protect against Mexico and they always fell apart because none of the nations involved were really willing to give up their sovereignty.

It’s probably going to take Maximilian at least a decade to get firm control of Mexico. Starting circa 1875 Maximilian should be able to start conquering Central America. If this doesn’t trigger a response from the USA or Britain or result in Central America uniting against Mexico, he might finish the conquest by 1880, but it will probably take longer.

*1880-1890: Serious discussions begin in Mexico City about building a canal across the isthmus at Nicaragua lead to increased trade and a direct rail link between Managua and Mexico City. Maximillian coerces British, French, and German investors into believeing that the canal system will work and that it will benefit all their nations. Mexico and Nicaragua will administer the canal while the Europeans will be given tolls on it until 500% of their investment is reached. Mexican ships are also declared exempt from the toll, causing several ships from less powerful nations to register with Mexico and pay fees into His Majesty's coffers.

You can’t coerce foreign investment. And Ferdinand de Lesseps, builder of the Suez Canal, has already been fundraising for a Panama Canal, so I'd expect more investment there. Mexico's only going to get enough foreign investment after the French attempt fails, and be in competition with the US. Mexico a Nicaraguan Canal won't start till the early to mid-1890s and will take a decade to complete.

He rules over an Empire that profits greatly from the Canal and becomes the impetus for US naval rearmament as the Mexican navy outguns that of the US by 2:1 in 1886.

This is flatly impossible. The US has vastly more industry and population as well as an established navy. Mexico cannot win a naval arms race. They cannot match the US gun for gun, let alone double the US total.

Pancho Villa becomes a dictator in the north and eventually invades the Empire, Maximillian dies a martyr's death while visiting an aid station when raiders kill him at the age of 83 (he would have died of cancer within the year) allowing the Iturbide family to return to power.

That assuming neither of Maximilian’s adopted Iturbe sons attempts a coup before his death, Maximilian passes over his natural son for them, and his natural son is okay with this. You’re more likely to have a succession war than a peaceful transfer of power.

Mexico also has a strong history of trade with Japan, perhaps they play a key role in opening up the new country and begin a profitable relationship between two Empires.

Japan was opened up before the POD.
 
A couple thoughts:

1) I don't know why killing Juarez makes the Republicans accept a foreign overlord propped up by French guns.

2) I'm not sure why Maximilian leads to a more industrialized and prosperous Mexico than OTL.
 
What kind of actions did he take in Italy that he might have repeated in Mexico?Also what time exactly would be the best to kill Jaurez to have the best results for Emp. Max.

Plus why did Turtledove think that an Empire of Mexico would have a failing economy by 1880 in TL-191 when so many people have said that Mexico would be better off financially with the 2nd Empire in place?

PS:For my ASB ATL I want to involve having the French (and not the British) aid the CSA some time after the second half of the war by at least breaking the blockade on ports and starting trade with the CSA to boost its econemy. Could such an event be encouraged by killing off Juarez by that time.

Well, he was generally viewed as a success as Viceroy of Lombardy-Venetia, and he was a navally-inclined man and built up the fleet that spanked the Italians at Lissa

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What kind of actions did he take in Italy that he might have repeated in Mexico?Also what time exactly would be the best to kill Jaurez to have the best results for Emp. Max.

Plus why did Turtledove think that an Empire of Mexico would have a failing economy by 1880 in TL-191 when so many people have said that Mexico would be better off financially with the 2nd Empire in place?

PS:For my ASB ATL I want to involve having the French (and not the British) aid the CSA some time after the second half of the war by at least breaking the blockade on ports and starting trade with the CSA to boost its econemy. Could such an event be encouraged by killing off Juarez by that time.

The death of Juarez will have 0 effect on the American Civil War, you'd need some kind of a border clash or something similar to get France at war with the Union.

Max signed some bad deals with the French and his reign suffered from them. A good chunk of the exican treasury was winding up in France... but even with that, had Max won; he would have had a united "stable" Mexico. Vera Cruz had a huge boom for much of his reign, this could spread elsewhere if he succeeds. Or he could face crippling debt to France, that could go either way. If he wins, the Brits might put pressure on the French to lay off on the Mexican payments.
 
A couple thoughts:

1) I don't know why killing Juarez makes the Republicans accept a foreign overlord propped up by French guns.

2) I'm not sure why Maximilian leads to a more industrialized and prosperous Mexico than OTL.

1) Max was liberal enough that should Juarez die, a few guys might come to Max side. It won't end the civil war overnight, but Juarez was stubborn and charismatic enough that he kept it together through some pretty rough times.

2) Mexico might not be a whole lot better, but I can't see it getting worse. Plus, Max short reign saw a boom in Vera Cruz, numerous public work projects and a bunch of rail and telegraph being layed. All in all a pretty good job considering he was fighting a civil war.
 
Price was mediocre as a commander in OTL. There’s a couple points during the Overland Campaign where Lee’s behavior was nigh-suicidal, so his death in 1865 is very credible. Stuart was not the senior commander in the AoNV and by 1865 the main thing holding that army together was Lee. His death hastens the collapse of that army and the Confederacy.

Stuart had at least some following by that point so he might assume command of *what's left*. I doubt that everyone will follow one commander in TTL but one person might assume enough control to sign the papers for surrender.

Large numbers Confederates fled to Mexico in OTL. The James brothers robbed banks and railroads for years in OTL. The first Klan and similar groups took a decade to forcibly suppress in OTL. Why would all of these be more successful in TTL?

If there are armed Confederates running around fighting a guerilla war they will have some backing and create more chaos. The James brothers might not be more successful, but they will fight for their "cause" one way or another. And look at Eric Rudolph disappearing into the mountains for years on end before being caught - if the guerillas have local support and can blend in easily among the populace they will be very difficult to capture.

What Confederate resources? And it’s going to take a long time to make Mexico stable – the liberals hated him because he’s a foreigner, and Emperor, and propped up by European power. A lot of the Conservatives hated Maximilian for being a foreigner and a liberal. If he suppresses the Juaristas, there’s a very strong chance Maximilian will be overthrown by a Conservative coup.

And he still came very close to uniting the country in OTL. If Juarez dies in Chihuahua in 1864 or 1865 then resistance becomes less focused and Maximillian can focus on uniting the country. Confederate resources might move into Mexico as a friendly place to store wealth and if the post-ACW climate is turbulent enough its former territories could send more resources to a nation more friendly to a gentry class.

Points to you for including something that doesn’t further you main thrust of wanking Mexico. OTOH, this isn’t very likely. Sterling Price was not Earl Van Dorn and old enough to be Carlotta's grandfather. Maximilian having children does not make his rule more stable. He and Carlotta had already adopted a couple grandchildren of Iturbide and named them as heirs. There will be plots and possibly coups or a revolt in favor of Maximilian’s adopted sons.

Carlotta *may* have had an affair with one of her staff officers with the result being Maxime Weygand of WWI fame. If Maximillian can not have children she might find a substitute to ensure a blood-heir to the throne whether the Emperor knows about it or not.

Maximilian was a naval enthusiast, but I’d expect him to focus on the Caribbean, not the Pacific. Even in disrepair, the US already has a navy and they’ll look on the rise of the Mexican navy with the same enthusiasm the British showed towards the rise of the German Navy. There will be a naval arms race, which the US will win. For that matter, Britain has interests in the area and they won’t like Mexican expansion, either.

By 1880 the US Navy was worried about what Chile could do to the West Coast. Outnumbering the OTL US navy 2:1 in 1880 would not be difficult even for a medium power nation like Brazil. And if Mexico sees her fortunes in the Pacific or thinks they could do more there than they could in the Caribbean who knows.

Very few smaller countries have willingly giving up their sovereignty to join a larger nation. The attempts for Central America in OTL involved uniting to protect against Mexico and they always fell apart because none of the nations involved were really willing to give up their sovereignty.

Guatemala in 1870 was a hellhole of rarely rivaled proportions. I think they would accept stability from a neighbor who had shown prosperity and strength in the face of similar conditions a few years prior, especially with the peone system and large church landholdings being broken.

It’s probably going to take Maximilian at least a decade to get firm control of Mexico. Starting circa 1875 Maximilian should be able to start conquering Central America. If this doesn’t trigger a response from the USA or Britain or result in Central America uniting against Mexico, he might finish the conquest by 1880, but it will probably take longer.

If Guatemala joins in 1870 and the rest of Central America has its civil wars a la OTL it might not take that much to unite them. Outside of Costa Rica there was still a dream of uniting parts of Central America, maybe they would accept Mexico being the vehicle for that, especially if they build railroads and infrastructure.

You can’t coerce foreign investment. And Ferdinand de Lesseps, builder of the Suez Canal, has already been fundraising for a Panama Canal, so I'd expect more investment there. Mexico's only going to get enough foreign investment after the French attempt fails, and be in competition with the US. Mexico a Nicaraguan Canal won't start till the early to mid-1890s and will take a decade to complete.

If a plausible canal can be built across Nicaragua by 1880 there would not be much coercion needed. Announce that you will build it and have a realistic construction effort in place, foreign investors will realize the benefit and profit potential. They would not need to advertise heavily at all, and Europe would jump at the chance to be involved.

This is flatly impossible. The US has vastly more industry and population as well as an established navy. Mexico cannot win a naval arms race. They cannot match the US gun for gun, let alone double the US total.

Before Mahan's book was released the US Navy was allowed to languish. If we remain complacent it would be *easy* to double the US fleet numbers, especially if the new ships were constructed quietly. Mexico will not win a naval arms race nor am I suggesting it would try to, but if the US Navy does not modernize it will be susceptible to surpassment by even a second-rate power.

Note: US naval strength in 1881 was 52 operational ships, only 17 were metal-hulled including 14 ACW-era ironclads.

(Recommended reading - http://www.amazon.com/Naval-Warfare-1815-1914-History/dp/0415214785)

That assuming neither of Maximilian’s adopted Iturbe sons attempts a coup before his death, Maximilian passes over his natural son for them, and his natural son is okay with this. You’re more likely to have a succession war than a peaceful transfer of power.

Why would his son even survive? I did not say the child was alive when Max died, perhaps he dies a martyr's death alongside his father *or trying to save him*. Or he dies in childhood of any number of causes/accidents.

Japan was opened up before the POD.

I am aware that Japan was initially opened by Perry but this puts them immediately before and after the Meiji dynasty comes to power, there is a difference between the door being cracked a bit and being thrust wide open.
 
How might Max staying in power affect the Mexican military situations that happened in OTL and the people who where involved in them such as the Mexican Indian Wars and the Garza Revolution?
 
How might Max staying in power affect the Mexican military situations that happened in OTL and the people who where involved in them such as the Mexican Indian Wars and the Garza Revolution?

Max was quite fond on the Indians, so their lot is likely to be much better off than OTL.

Would the Garza revolution even happen with a more stable (and perhaps prosperous?) Mexico?
 
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