What effect does no WW2 have on various countries.

Kongzilla

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I wanna do a TL where WW2 doesn't happen as OTL, it's avoided and Germany doesn't have economic collapse.

So I was just wondering what effect a TL where WW2 didn't happen. For example what would happen with Indian, Iraq, Iran and Egyptian independence. What kind of continued Sino-German co-operation have on China. Could the Nationalists beat the communists.

Effect on the Colonial empires of the world. So generally it's just what effect would no WW2 have on the world.
 

KACKO

Well, no WW2 since September 1939 or no Munich 1938 at all? Or no Nazis in Germany all together?
 

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Kongzilla said:
I wanna do a TL where WW2 doesn't happen as OTL, it's avoided and Germany doesn't have economic collapse.

So I was just wondering what effect a TL where WW2 didn't happen. For example what would happen with Indian, Iraq, Iran and Egyptian independence. What kind of continued Sino-German co-operation have on China. Could the Nationalists beat the communists.

Effect on the Colonial empires of the world. So generally it's just what effect would no WW2 have on the world.
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Yeah, we need a lot of details on what happens, what the POD is. German-Sino relations were gone by the time that Japan had cut off the Chinese coast, both because it was impossible to trade with China at that point and the Japanese were supposed to be a Nazi ally against the Soviets (anti-COMINTERN pact).
If we still have the Nazis there had better be a pretty damn good reason the Germans don't start a war. If Germany doesn't go Nazi there are many viable PODs, but you need to pick one, as they all have consequences.
 

M. Adolphe Thiers

Kongzilla said:
For example what would happen with Indian, Iraq, Iran and Egyptian independence.
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Well for starters, Iran was already independent. No WWII would mean that Reza Shah wouldn't be forcibly deposed over his refusal to abandon neutrality to give the Allies a supply line to the Soviets. Considering Reza Shah's strong personality and progress, it would probably make the Pahlavi Dynasty a lot stronger than it was OTL. At the very least it gives Mohammad Reza Pahlavi a few more years to wait in the wings.

Although Reza didn't respect parliamentarianism that much, so the flowering of such under Mohammad Reza Pahlavi's early rule probably wouldn't happen. Essentially Postwar Iranian politics is altered completely.
 

pedmore1202

Egypt was already independant IIRC, Pre-WW2 British presence was mainly restricted to around the Suez Canal and in training the Egyptian Army, as well as a couple of military bases elsewhere in the country
 

M. Adolphe Thiers

pedmore1202 said:
Egypt was already independant IIRC, Pre-WW2 British presence was mainly restricted to around the Suez Canal and in training the Egyptian Army, as well as a couple of military bases elsewhere in the country
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WWII ruined Egypt's liberal experiment as well, since the Wafd became tainted as being Pro-British.
 

Kongzilla

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1936, Goring is in charge. Sudetenland and Austria happen as OTL with Danzig becoming German without pissing off the Allies and Czechia peacefully becoming a protectorate. So I think no WW2 and less pissed off WAllies.

So Nazis but with less of a Conquering wish. Just roll with it. Also I'm thinking that Japan stops any offensives in 41 and pulls out completely by 42. I also thought Sino-German support kept going until 41 and it only stopped due to Hitler choosing the Japanese.
 

Joseph Solis in Australia

For China, there would have been a chance that the Nationalists of Chiang Kai-shek to prevail over Mao Zedong and the Communists as WWII demoralized the former while the latter benefited from somewhat.
 

Kongzilla

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I was thinking that all Japanese offensives are halted when the Soviets invade Manchuria in 1941. A couple months later the occupied areas are run by a skeleton crew. Chiang decides to capitalize on this and launches an offensive. Claims he drove out the Japanese invaders so his popularity gets a little bit of a boost. With his army not completely destroyed. He decides to focus on Internal problems. Goring doesn't like Heydrich so he banishes him to china to oversee the cooperation effort. Heydrich decides to make the best of it. First he goes after the communists and then the warlords, he then starts a kind of purge killing off communist informers in the KMT. Chiang does some stuff like parceling out land to the people after he gets rid of the warlords and setting up a few schools and community medical centres. Corruption is still abundant so not everything is fixed. Support eventually comes down to about 50-50.

Is that enough of a fighting chance.
 

GrandpaTanaka

Does WWII include the War in the Pacific in this TL? It wouldn't be 'WWII' as we know it but Japan has already taken much of China by 1939 as others said.

Would Japan still attack British colonies if the UK wasn't at war with Germany?

(I'm not particularly knowledgable on WWII, nor am I a true regular on the site, so forgive me if there is an established consensus on this.)
 

Kongzilla

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I don't beleive they would be crazy enough because they would get crushed and they know it. The Reason the Soviets invade is because the Japanese are seriously considering invading China and Stalin knows they are weak.
 

Dan Reilly The Great

Well the Soviets have some real problems. Without WWII, the purges continue until either Stalin is removed from power or his paranoia is satisfied. What this means is unknown, but it does not bode well for the well being of the regime, but it may well cause its complete collapse. It may also preclude any Soviet ventures into Eastern Europe due to the fact that Western Europe is far less fractured, and there is no guarantee from the Germans vis-a-vis spheres of influence.
 

Kongzilla

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So by 1950 are we going to see a Soviet Military that is technologically powerful but it's main strategy is throwing huge waves of troops at the enemy to overpower them. Would Germany sign a Molotov-Ribbentrop type pact just to keep the Soviets at bay. And would the Soviets be able to Attack Finalnd and Annex Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania without prompting a war.
 
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KACKO

Kongzilla said:
1936, Goring is in charge. Sudetenland and Austria happen as OTL with Danzig becoming German without pissing off the Allies and Czechia peacefully becoming a protectorate. So I think no WW2 and less pissed off WAllies.

So Nazis but with less of a Conquering wish. Just roll with it. Also I'm thinking that Japan stops any offensives in 41 and pulls out completely by 42. I also thought Sino-German support kept going until 41 and it only stopped due to Hitler choosing the Japanese.
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Actually after Munich, occupation of Czech lands and creating Protectorate was what pissed off West Allies. Even OTL that was pretty peacefull action with almost no resistance as Presidend of Czechoslovakia Hacha agreed with actions ( after heavy pressure in Berlin but anyway).
 

Kongzilla

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Yea but this won't be an invasion, this will be more peaceful with economic and military boasting and Czechia's now apparent weakness they can be brought into Germany like OTL. It won't take that much longer though. Even then the WAllies preffered Germany in control of Czechoslovakia instead of the SU
 
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KACKO

Kongzilla said:
Yea but this won't be an invasion, this will be more peaceful with economic and military boasting and Czechia's now apparent weakness they can be brought into Germany like OTL. It won't take that much longer though. Even then the WAllies preffered Germany in control of Czechoslovakia instead of the SU
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Well even OTL it was basically peaceful and after agreement between government of Germany and Czechoslovakia. Anyway even in OTL Germany basically could ask and did ask Czechoslovakia after Munich for almost anything. Harsher racial laws in before democratic Czechoslovakia, sell out of heavy guns which Czechoslovak army didn't need anymore (and which were not paid for at the end anyway), more pro German policy etc.
 

Kongzilla

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Fair enough.

What effect would this have on Indian independence then. At what point would they gain their independence and would it get violent. British troops fighting a vietnam style conflict perhaps.
 

Will Kürlich Kerl

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There probably be no Israeli-Palestinian Conflict because if the UN/League of Nations/Great Britain decides to partition Palestine into two lands, the countries would be more or less divided based on the percentage of people that are Israeli or Palestinian. The British won't feel much sympathy for the Jews, because the Holocaust hasn't happened yet.
 
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