What do Asia and Latin America look like in a Nazi-US Cold War?

Make US look like a hypocrite? Since when did the US ever worry about that? The US has always fought alongside of and been friends with dictatorships. The OTL Cold War was rarely ever democracies versus communist dictators, it was US backed dictators versus Soviet backed dictators.
That is true... Although I would think that the Cold War against explicit dictatorships would make the US government try it's best to support democracies and prevent them from turning to dictatorships.
 
Make US look like a hypocrite? Since when did the US ever worry about that? The US has always fought alongside of and been friends with dictatorships. The OTL Cold War was rarely ever democracies versus communist dictators, it was US backed dictators versus Soviet backed dictators.
The Cold War was free market countries versus communist countries. That was how the united States defined themselves versus their enemies.

With Germany being free market they won't differentiate themselves that way, they'll differentiate themselves through freedom. I can foresee civil rights moving significantly faster in this timeline.
 
The Cold War was free market countries versus communist countries. That was how the united States defined themselves versus their enemies.

With Germany being free market they won't differentiate themselves that way, they'll differentiate themselves through freedom. I can foresee civil rights moving significantly faster in this timeline.
The US didn't frame it as free market vs communist; and fascism isn't free market either... the US framed it as "us versus them" with little definition of "us" or "them" other than us was those countries not supporting them; which is why Nixon was able to get the PRC as "not them". The only time during the Cold War that the US ever tried to define us as something was when the US put things like "under God" in the pledge of allegiance and "in God we trust" on money, those "God laws" were blatant propaganda to get Latin American countries to see the US as "religious and godly" versus atheist communism of the other side.
 
I think a cold war between the US and Nazi Germany will very quickly become focused on colonies and wars of independence. In a timeline where Germany wins Spain and Portugal will quickly fall in line and Vichy France while probably losing Vietnam and other outlying territories will keep the core of her Empire. This together with the Italian gains from a victory leave a huge amount of non white peoples under European Facist regimes. Along with German territories in the east. France, Spain and Portugal fought to hold onto their colonies IOTL and I see no reason why they wouldn't fight in this scenario, but Portugal might run into difficulties and I could easily see Angola becoming a German Vietnam. South Africa will sooner or later switch sides as their racist ideology is going to line up well with the emerging racial ideologies in Italy, France, Portugal and Spain which will borrow heavily from Nazi racist theory. If Rhodesia declares independence I expect they'll receive a lot of assistance from this block. They'll be a lot of insurgencies and counter insurgencies and I expect the Germans to get more and more drawn into "brushfire wars" helping maintain the colonial empires without really meaning to make those a focal point but they will become one because that's where the trouble is.

Latin America I think would be similar to our timeline but with the roles somewhat but not completely reversed. The Germans get a few right wing coups that go their way and the US supports some leftwing guerrillas but also succeeds with a few pro US Coups.

Asia will be solidly in America's corner they'll be more trade going east because of the political situation in Europe, and the US will cast itself as extremely anti-colonialist and that should play very well in those countries. I expect Vietnam will become a strong US ally and may even reach first world status by the year 2000.

US domestic politics will be a tad more leftwing and segregation will end earlier as segregationists will become tainted by association with the feared other, just as communists were IOTL. I expect the US will put more effort into Anti-racism programs as it will be defining itself in opposition to highly racist regimes.

I expect Germany will mellow with the death of Hitler just as the Soviet Union did with the death of Stalin. Ultimately I expect the Western European core will be quite prosperous given the resources it can extract, but sooner or later the comfortable middle class will grow restless and get tired of seeing young men go off to die so old men can have an empire. I expect an Arab spring type event would happen sooner or later where a small protest become a big protest and once one regime falls they all do. It could be like Tienanmen, but I lean the other way. What comes after is anybodies guess, although I expect Europe will be quite a bit more racist after years of facist propaganda.
 
I think a cold war between the US and Nazi Germany will very quickly become focused on colonies and wars of independence. In a timeline where Germany wins Spain and Portugal will quickly fall in line and Vichy France while probably losing Vietnam and other outlying territories will keep the core of her Empire. This together with the Italian gains from a victory leave a huge amount of non white peoples under European Facist regimes. Along with German territories in the east. France, Spain and Portugal fought to hold onto their colonies IOTL and I see no reason why they wouldn't fight in this scenario, but Portugal might run into difficulties and I could easily see Angola becoming a German Vietnam. South Africa will sooner or later switch sides as their racist ideology is going to line up well with the emerging racial ideologies in Italy, France, Portugal and Spain which will borrow heavily from Nazi racist theory. If Rhodesia declares independence I expect they'll receive a lot of assistance from this block. They'll be a lot of insurgencies and counter insurgencies and I expect the Germans to get more and more drawn into "brushfire wars" helping maintain the colonial empires without really meaning to make those a focal point but they will become one because that's where the trouble is.

Latin America I think would be similar to our timeline but with the roles somewhat but not completely reversed. The Germans get a few right wing coups that go their way and the US supports some leftwing guerrillas but also succeeds with a few pro US Coups.

Asia will be solidly in America's corner they'll be more trade going east because of the political situation in Europe, and the US will cast itself as extremely anti-colonialist and that should play very well in those countries. I expect Vietnam will become a strong US ally and may even reach first world status by the year 2000.

US domestic politics will be a tad more leftwing and segregation will end earlier as segregationists will become tainted by association with the feared other, just as communists were IOTL. I expect the US will put more effort into Anti-racism programs as it will be defining itself in opposition to highly racist regimes.

I expect Germany will mellow with the death of Hitler just as the Soviet Union did with the death of Stalin. Ultimately I expect the Western European core will be quite prosperous given the resources it can extract, but sooner or later the comfortable middle class will grow restless and get tired of seeing young men go off to die so old men can have an empire. I expect an Arab spring type event would happen sooner or later where a small protest become a big protest and once one regime falls they all do. It could be like Tienanmen, but I lean the other way. What comes after is anybodies guess, although I expect Europe will be quite a bit more racist after years of facist propaganda.
How do you think global immigration trends will change in this scenario? And thanks for the well thought out answer, I highly appreciate it.
 
I think global immigration would be much reduced, the regimes in Europe aren't going to allow immigration from the colonies like IOTL. Algeria and Angola were settler colonies historically and so it's likely that they would continue to be settled by Europeans and so would have much higher European populations, especially since IOTL the Europeans fled during decolonization. Libya and Tunisia will also be heavily settled by Italians to the point that Italians might even become a majority in Libya. I wonder if we might see some settling of Slavs as a kind of foreign legion, fight in Africa to get some land and avoid being killed by the Germans. I'm not sure if that's realistic or not but the Germans will have a lot of Slavs and it might be tempting for the smaller countries to use them that way if they can't get enough of their own people to move to or fight in Africa.

Immigration to the US will be changed too, I expect the Vietnamese, Laotian, and Cambodian communities will be virtually non existent as the wars in Southeast Asia will be butterflied away. There might be increased Russian immigration from whatever is left of the Soviet union.

Finally I'm not sure where Britain's place is going to be in all this. But they are very quickly be put in a hugely awkward position. In a Nazi victory timeline colonialism will quickly become a dirty word among the US population, which brings us back to to Britain. Which now finds herself in an anti colonial block while owning the worlds largest empire... super awkward. Decolonization will have to happen quickly but I'm not sure what form it will take. Just simply giving independence exposes weak African states to aggressive fascist regimes. But keeping parts of the Empire into the 60s as IOTL is quickly going to prove untenable. We might see a defense union or a more powerful commonwealth, or even something like the EU. I imagine England might have loser immigration policies to show that they are different from the other European powers. I also expect British Africa to stay more or less democratic as that is probably a condition of British protection.

And thanks for the compliment :) I find this a really interesting timeline.
 
I think global immigration would be much reduced, the regimes in Europe aren't going to allow immigration from the colonies like IOTL. Algeria and Angola were settler colonies historically and so it's likely that they would continue to be settled by Europeans and so would have much higher European populations, especially since IOTL the Europeans fled during decolonization. Libya and Tunisia will also be heavily settled by Italians to the point that Italians might even become a majority in Libya. I wonder if we might see some settling of Slavs as a kind of foreign legion, fight in Africa to get some land and avoid being killed by the Germans. I'm not sure if that's realistic or not but the Germans will have a lot of Slavs and it might be tempting for the smaller countries to use them that way if they can't get enough of their own people to move to or fight in Africa.

Immigration to the US will be changed too, I expect the Vietnamese, Laotian, and Cambodian communities will be virtually non existent as the wars in Southeast Asia will be butterflied away. There might be increased Russian immigration from whatever is left of the Soviet union.

Finally I'm not sure where Britain's place is going to be in all this. But they are very quickly be put in a hugely awkward position. In a Nazi victory timeline colonialism will quickly become a dirty word among the US population, which brings us back to to Britain. Which now finds herself in an anti colonial block while owning the worlds largest empire... super awkward. Decolonization will have to happen quickly but I'm not sure what form it will take. Just simply giving independence exposes weak African states to aggressive fascist regimes. But keeping parts of the Empire into the 60s as IOTL is quickly going to prove untenable. We might see a defense union or a more powerful commonwealth, or even something like the EU. I imagine England might have loser immigration policies to show that they are different from the other European powers. I also expect British Africa to stay more or less democratic as that is probably a condition of British protection.

And thanks for the compliment :) I find this a really interesting timeline.
How do you think Egypt and the Middle East will fare? I am think Palestine may end up merged with Jordan while Arab unity may be more successfu in some placesl , while in other's not. How do you think India could turn out? It seems that the Nazis had some admiration for Asian cultures, so I it seems that the Nazis could have rather strange relations to Asia. Like I think that they may appropriate more symbols from Asia. What do you think the art culture of non Germanic European countries could look like? I imagine that Nazi Germany will have an art scene that resembles Hitler's tastes, but Italy and the Balkan and Iberian nations seem to be rarely explored.
 
The upshot of this scenario is that by the late 1950s the United
States is a much more advanced country, technologically and
socially-from an early space program and early civil rights movement.

I don't see how the technology of the US would be more advanced ITTL given that the Reich isn't really keen on maintaining scientific superiority other than saying anything that's "Jewish" is bad/unworthy of research; though I can imagine them copying the atomic bomb just to spite the West. Not to mention that the US would lack the benefit of certain German scientists and research ITTL as well.

An as for how Asia and Latin America would look like ITTL; well Asia would pretty much be America's second backyard aside from China going rogue and aligning with Germany just to spite the USA and USSR. Latin America on the other hand would be contested with numerous fascist movements competing with pro-US regimes for power and Argentina being a wild card and Brazil would bore the brunt of this competition between the US and the Reich.
 
How do you think Egypt and the Middle East will fare? I am think Palestine may end up merged with Jordan while Arab unity may be more successfu in some placesl , while in other's not. How do you think India could turn out? It seems that the Nazis had some admiration for Asian cultures, so I it seems that the Nazis could have rather strange relations to Asia. Like I think that they may appropriate more symbols from Asia. What do you think the art culture of non Germanic European countries could look like? I imagine that Nazi Germany will have an art scene that resembles Hitler's tastes, but Italy and the Balkan and Iberian nations seem to be rarely explored.

Assuming a German victory at Stalingrad in 1942 by the end of 1943 they'll need troops to occupy Russia and hold those borders against a Soviet resurgence, but they'll easily be able to park a million man army on Turkey's border and ask for safe passage in return for Armenia, a healthy slice of Azerbaijan and Northern Iraq, The last of which Turkey claimed IOTL with that carrot and stick and almost no Eastern front to speak of they'll be able to focus a huge amount of resources securing the Middle East as that will be the last active land front they have.

I think the Middle East would be divided between colonies and independent states. Morocco, Tunisia, Libya and Algeria will all remain colonies. Italy will get Egypt no question as that is basically why they were fighting the British in the first place, I guess they would also push hard for the Sudan as that connects to their colonies in Ethiopia and Eritrea. Syria, Jordan, Palestine and Iraq will be harder to say. The Italians will want them but I'm not sure they will get them. These places will be taken with German power and I'm not sure that Hitler is willing to give them up. IOTL Hitler began musing around 1944-45 about how he should have been more supportive of the Arabs and not allied with the feckless Italians. Now in a world where he is winning maybe his thoughts won't turn this way. But Italy is already getting a lot and historically the Mufti of Jerusalem and Iraqi politicians were hiding out in Germany and were working to recruit Muslims for the SS. I think it's likely that Iraq and Palestine-Jordan are created as German allied puppets. Again the Italians will protest. But Egypt and the Suez are a big prize and with Germany now doing the heavy lifting they can influence the decision. Syria and Lebanon I think will go to Italy or France. To France to balance the loss of Tunisia or to Italy to soothe Mussolini's ego. It could go either way but I lean towards France getting it. Mussolini really wanted Tunisia and France really wanted to keep it, so giving France Syria back is a nice way to keep the peace. As for the Gulf states that's a lot of open land and the Axis supply lines would be pretty stretched reaching them. I'm not sure if they could get them or if Britain could reinforce them from India.

For the art, I think other countries will follow Germany's lead and "traditional" art will be promoted. But just like in the Soviet Union, stuff like rock and roll will prove popular and be difficult to repress.
 
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