What country has the potential to be heavily mixed race with a wide variety of phenotypes?

Who is more likely to achieve this by 2016

  • USA

    Votes: 19 37.3%
  • Brazil

    Votes: 31 60.8%
  • Peru

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • South Africa

    Votes: 1 2.0%
  • Bolivia

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    51
When I mean mixed race, I mean that ethnicities from all over the world come to this country, like not just European ethnicities, but those from East Asia, south Asia, the Middle East, Africa, etc. Also ethnicities that lack their own state like Romani(gypsies) Kurds, Jews( at the time). When I say a wide variety of phenotypes, I mean you'll be able to see people with curly blonde hair, brown skin, green eyes with epicanthic folds and other wide variety of mixes. What countries could do this. I know Brazil and USA are good candidates. Who else however? Also what changes in these countries would have to take place to attract as many people?
 
I just realised that this question is fairly simple. So how could these countries get there? And who is most likely to achieve it by 2016?
 
Brazil and certain African countries already have the head start of having many indigenous and unique ethnic groups, as does Papau New Guinea and Indonesia. Ofcourse, I guess you were instead referring to having ethnic groups from foreign places and not necessarily within their own countries. Brazil is a particuarly good candidate due to it's growing economy, already diverse population and ofcourse it's size(More land means it can take in more immigrants, also means that Brazil is more relevant than some of these other countries and thus able to attract more potential migrants). In addition this nation is much more established than some of the other candidates. . Indonesia, Papau New Guinea and most of Africa were colonies. The United States already attracted a large ammount of immigrants thanks to it's better infrastructure and it being one of the pivotal centers of the industrial revolution. In addition the United States had political freedom which was attractive to many people who lived under oppressive regimes. Perhaps if Brazil embraced more Democratic policies early on and had a leader with more austerity and ambition to reform into a developed country then perhaps. South Africa seems unlikely unless you change it's apartheid policies to make it a more attractive destination, but it does have the advantage of being independent and having many already established ethnic groups(White Afrikaaners, English immigrants, various African Tribes and later on there were even some from Southern Asia, particuarly India). It was also relatively rich for it's region, but income inequality was an issue. Might be easier to elaborate if there was a more solid time for how far we could go back to diverge from OTL.
 
Brazil and certain African countries already have the head start of having many indigenous and unique ethnic groups, as does Papau New Guinea and Indonesia. Ofcourse, I guess you were instead referring to having ethnic groups from foreign places and not necessarily within their own countries. Brazil is a particuarly good candidate due to it's growing economy, already diverse population and ofcourse it's size(More land means it can take in more immigrants, also means that Brazil is more relevant than some of these other countries and thus able to attract more potential migrants). In addition this nation is much more established than some of the other candidates. . Indonesia, Papau New Guinea and most of Africa were colonies. The United States already attracted a large ammount of immigrants thanks to it's better infrastructure and it being one of the pivotal centers of the industrial revolution. In addition the United States had political freedom which was attractive to many people who lived under oppressive regimes. Perhaps if Brazil embraced more Democratic policies early on and had a leader with more austerity and ambition to reform into a developed country then perhaps. South Africa seems unlikely unless you change it's apartheid policies to make it a more attractive destination, but it does have the advantage of being independent and having many already established ethnic groups(White Afrikaaners, English immigrants, various African Tribes and later on there were even some from Southern Asia, particuarly India). It was also relatively rich for it's region, but income inequality was an issue. Might be easier to elaborate if there was a more solid time for how far we could go back to diverge from OTL.
You can go as far back as a POD of 1492.
 

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This already is the Dominican Republic and Cuba.
 
I would vote for Canada, although it's not on the list.

I live in the Vancouver urban area, and Vancouver is definitely one of the most phenotypically diverse cities i've ever been to. The white population which is a majority in Canada as a whole is minority here. The only major racial group which is not very common here is Black people (for a variety of reasons that i'm not getting in to).

I almost feel like i'm seeing more mixed-race babies these days than babies which are of one identifiable 'racial' group (my own baby included). So getting Canada to open its doors to non-white immigrants earlier than it did OTL should be doable, and could result in cities like Vancouver and Toronto being majority mixed-race by 2016....
 
A surviving Umayyad Spain would be interesting in terms of its racial mixture. Indo-European Spaniards (as well as Basques such as the Banu Qasi), Semitic Arabs, Berbers, Subsaharan African, Slavic Saqilaba, all potentially existing in one peninsula sized regime, at about 1000 AD, by even 200/300 years time the amount of mixing between the various groups would create a very interesting mosaic, assuming certain taboos and social stratifications fade away/break down.

A large, thriving Ottoman empire could also be very similar in terms of its many different ethnicities, however encouraging/creating intermarriage on such a large scale in the Ottoman empire would be a theoretically much harder to achieve (for multiple reasons), so it would most likely just be a multicultural nation rather than a heavily mixed one, per se.
 
An alternate Philippines/Spanish East Indies with more immigration from Latin America and Spain would have the Malay-Chinese substrate mixed with the Hispanic mixture of native Americans, Europeans, and Africans. Basically a true global melting pot.
 
This is pretty random idea, but if Western Australia's aboriginals developed into a civilisation (LORAG-esque, maybe), which got colonised in a style similar to Latin America, then it would totally be this. ESPECIALLY if the power doing the colonisation has control of Latin America and can lure obviously indigenous people there, as well as control of Africa too and takes part in the slave trade. Upon the arrival of a Chinese/Indonesian community, you'd have a society with ancestry from all six inhabited continents, with a huge range of phenotypes with the majority of people mixed-race (since it's pretty remote after all). The local Aboriginals of Western Australia incidentally have a unique blond-hair gene which in some parts (admittedly the deep desert of Central Australia) includes the vast majority of people of Aboriginal descent. Basically the ultimate mixed-race group.

I also like the idea of an East Asian colonised West Coast with sparse Asian settlement, which then gets colonised by Europeans. A nice mixture of American Indians with strong Asian descent with a smattering of white ancestry. They might look like some Latin Americans with Asian ancestry, although West Coast American Indians looked and look different than Latin American Indians.

But Brazil already kinda has this. A Peru with more European immigration might be able to too, as might South Africa.
 
A surviving Umayyad Spain would be interesting in terms of its racial mixture. Indo-European Spaniards (as well as Basques such as the Banu Qasi), Semitic Arabs, Berbers, Subsaharan African, Slavic Saqilaba, all potentially existing in one peninsula sized regime, at about 1000 AD, by even 200/300 years time the amount of mixing between the various groups would create a very interesting mosaic, assuming certain taboos and social stratifications fade away/break down.

A large, thriving Ottoman empire could also be very similar in terms of its many different ethnicities, however encouraging/creating intermarriage on such a large scale in the Ottoman empire would be a theoretically much harder to achieve (for multiple reasons), so it would most likely just be a multicultural nation rather than a heavily mixed one, per se.

I actually don't see why the Ottomans wouldn't get really "mixed". I mean, today's Turks have all kinds of different ethnic blood in them. Ataturks father was an Albanian. A wealthy OE would also attract tons of Muslim immigrants from across the world.
 
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