I really want to write a timeline were America Becomes an Axis power and then has a cold war with Germany, but I can't figure out a plausible/possible way to make that happen. Could I get some help please.
I really want to write a timeline were America Becomes an Axis power and then has a cold war with Germany, but I can't figure out a plausible/possible way to make that happen.
That's because there isn't one.
I really want to write a timeline were America Becomes an Axis power and then has a cold war with Germany, but I can't figure out a plausible/possible way to make that happen. Could I get some help please.
Hitler for once in his life listened to his generals and did the smart thing i.e. not invade Poland. Instead he held off his invasion and continued growing Germany into a bigger and bigger industrial juggernaut, funding research and development into a number of Wunderwaffen's like the Sturer Emil, the super panzer, the Focke-Wulf Ta 28,the now infamous Horten Ho 229, Horten H.XVIII, and the atomic bomb. ...With Germany Prospering in an economic golden age
I don't think this would work, for the very simple reason that Germany's military buildup was fiscally unsustainable. Had the war not broken out in 1939, you'd see Germany's economy begin to crumble shortly thereafter.
Yep, there is no way I can see this happening. The thing that many people forget is that the USA just doesn't suit Fascism taking root in any form we would recognise. America is too geographically, politically and ethnically diverse and has too powerful a Constitution to have far-right take over.
In addition, the only organisations that had even the slightest chance of taking over were strictly non-interventionist. With a few exceptions, most historical American far-right groups had a libertarian bent that renders the idea of a Washington-Berlin Axis next to impossible.
If the OT does wish to take this further, please please don't use Huey Long as the leader of the movement. Not that you would but...
okay how about this one.
Seeds of War 1939-1940
Hitler for once in his life listened to his generals and did the smart thing i.e. not invade Poland. Instead he held off his invasion and continued growing Germany into a bigger and bigger industrial juggernaut, funding research and development into a number of Wunderwaffen's like the Sturer Emil, the super panzer, the Focke-Wulf Ta 28,the now infamous Horten Ho 229, Horten H.XVIII, and the atomic bomb.
Tensions are high Europe but with the policy of appeasement still supported by Neville Chamberlain, as long as Germany doesn't attack "peace in our time" will remain. Germany's ally the empire of Japan on the other hand is as the years go by becoming more and more aggressive. In there barbarism in Indochina has lead the Americans to end the U.S.-Japan Commercial treaty in 1939, angering the Empire of the Sun greatly.
The Japanese Seek help from there ally Germany hoping that the Germans will assist them in taking control of the Pacific and crush the Americans for there insult. With Germany Prospering in an economic golden age and with the Jewish Ghetto's, and labor camps working out nicely the German Reich sees no reason to instigate a war with a nation on the other side of the world which was in an economic age that resembled that of post WWI Germany. By ignoring a cry for help from there allies Germany had alienated them and within two months the Empire of the Sun withdrew from the Tripartite Pact. The Empire Continued Ravaging Indochina but had also begun constructing a massive fleet for which to make the Americans pay for there insolence.
Crumbling America 1937-April 1941
The Americans had fallen victim to a recession in 1937 and had yet to come out of it, without the second world war to spur the economy into overdrive through manufacturing the Americans had fallen and fallen hard. The Socialist policies of the Roosevelt administration had failed to revitalize the once great nation and it looked as if the country would never get back on its feet.Socialist policies????
This the same man who barely held on to his Senate Seat in 1934?Roosevelt’s attempt to grab the party nomination a third time failed miserably losing it to the man who had been able to get him elected the first time James Farley. Even with a new face the Democrats still were unable to win the 1940 election losing to the Republican candidate Arthur H. Vandenberg who had strongly opposed both the first and second New Deals put forth by Roosevelt.
As a modified internationalist he saw that the only way for America to flourish again was for it to get back out into the world community, make allies and trading partners, that would buy American goods. The Germany had once been the Americans enemy, but as an industrial behemoth it was a tempting ally over the British who had done little to help the Americans. Vandenberg had the vision to see the see that the Japanese were growing more and more hostile and so only two months after his election he puts forth a bill that will make Pearl Harbor the most fortified American harbor in the entire world. To help pay for the project Vandenberg proposes an economic and commercial treaty between the U.S. and Germany. Hitler sees the potential of the Americans and on April 3, 1941 the German-American Trade Agreement is signed into law.
Is it still to ASB?
I think the Too ASB part is self explanatory don't you?
Just as a note: Many of the folks who post here are serious history buffs (many a LOT more knowledgeable than me). It might be worthwhile to look a little closer at the economics of a POD, at the historical situations that a POD would create, and the long term situation/political lay-out of a region before posting something that alters one of the most discussed and most well trod areas of history (and AH as well) before you lay out a major T/L. It requires a lot more than a couple names and a WI in front for a T/L to stand up. Speaking from experience, even when you HAVE done all that, you will be amazed at how little you actually have considered.
Keep posting, that is the way to learn, but altering the political landscape of the Planet with a POD that only goes back four years may be a bit ambitious as a starter.![]()
The Socialist policies of the Roosevelt administration had failed to revitalize the once great nation and it looked as if the country would never get back on its feet
okay how about this one.
Seeds of War 1939-1940
Hitler for once in his life listened to his generals and did the smart thing i.e. not invade Poland. Instead he held off his invasion and continued growing Germany into a bigger and bigger industrial juggernaut,...
For originality said:I was trying to make America an axis power without getting rid of democracy but if every one is super posotive that it can't be done then I guess I'll have to persue it through a facist form.
Actually I was going to have the Japenese Discover the the Oil fields in Manchuria to help it with it's production of it's super fleet, I was then going to have it launch its attack on Australia and Pearl Harbor which would plung the world into a war with the empire of the sun. needless to say it would end badly for the Japenes, but based on my knowlodge of there atomic bomb program (they were originally going to test there first atomic bomb two days after the US dropped our first bomb on them) I was going to have the Japenese attempt to stop the onslaught of a Russian invasion with the use of an atomic bomb, which would have provoked Vandenberg to drop the bomb on Japan. with it revealed that America has the bomb and never told Germany the Alliance would begin to frey as the two nation start to grow more and more apart. Germany starts to go under economically only two years after the war and asks the US for economic aid. The US gives them some but actually wants Germany to go under so that they can be the only super power. Germany has no choice but to take Poland and attack France. This European war would fallow a simillar plot as OTL WWII. thats What I had happen but sense the US not being an Axis power seems like the only possobility I guess my alt is doomed to fail, how depressing.
Did you even READ what was written by everyone?I was trying to make America an axis power without getting rid of democracy but if every one is super posotive that it can't be done then I guess I'll have to persue it through a facist form.
Actually I was going to have the Japenese Discover the the Oil fields in Manchuria to help it with it's production of it's super fleet, I was then going to have it launch its attack on Australia and Pearl Harbor which would plung the world into a war with the empire of the sun. needless to say it would end badly for the Japenes,
Which it appears is based on a poorly researched and sensationally presented History Channel program that was beyond ludicrousbut based on my knowlodge of there atomic bomb program (they were originally going to test there first atomic bomb two days after the US dropped our first bomb on them)
I was going to have the Japenese attempt to stop the onslaught of a Russian invasion with the use of an atomic bomb, which would have provoked Vandenberg to drop the bomb on Japan. with it revealed that America has the bomb and never told Germany the Alliance would begin to frey as the two nation start to grow more and more apart. Germany starts to go under economically only two years after the war and asks the US for economic aid. The US gives them some but actually wants Germany to go under so that they can be the only super power. Germany has no choice but to take Poland and attack France. This European war would fallow a simillar plot as OTL WWII. thats What I had happen but sense the US not being an Axis power seems like the only possobility I guess my alt is doomed to fail, how depressing.
For originality, I'd go with the latter. Have the 'Business Plot' succeed in overthrowing Roosevelt and installing a fascist government led by Lindbergh or Eddie Rickenbacker or whoever. Then have that fascist government cooperate closely with Hitler and Mussolini, blah blah. If you want an interesting twist, have Japan join the Allies and keep the Pacific War from OTL. Japan gets taken down by the Fascist US, Germany and Italy take out Britain, France, the USSR, whathaveyou.
In the end, you probably end up with a Cold War between the world's leading fascist powers, the United States and Germany.
Did you even READ what was written by everyone?
Which it appears is based on a poorly researched and sensationally presented History Channel program that was beyond ludicrous
Gee, ya think?
BTW: As someone who is spelling challenged himself, I would recommend use of the spell checker before you post.