What could happen to Spain and Portugal after WW2 if they were Axis?

JJohnson

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For the sake of argument, if Spain and Portugal were Axis Powers actively fighting the Allies, what would the Allies have done to them in the aftermath of the war? Would the Allies remove the Balearic Islands, Azores, etc. from either country and annex them, or just have trials and de-axis the countries?
 

Kongzilla

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Spains overseas colonies may be taken off them and the Allies grab franco asthe populace cheers and the Republicans retake control.
 

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For the sake of argument, if Spain and Portugal were Axis Powers actively fighting the Allies, what would the Allies have done to them in the aftermath of the war? Would the Allies remove the Balearic Islands, Azores, etc. from either country and annex them, or just have trials and de-axis the countries?

Marshal Plan aid, Spain rebuilds and is integrated into the Western economic sphere and is far better off economically than now.
 

Deleted member 1487

Good as long as you made sure it was the US to get to you, not the Soviet Union.

Considering that it has the Pyrenees between it and France, I don't think Spain has any worries about Soviet conquest. The Soviets would be very hard pressed to extend their logistics beyond the Rhein in 1945, which was long after the Allies, even just Britain, would have been able to land in France. Besides Spain would likely flip sides like Italy the first chance it got in the US is in the war and ready for landings somewhere in its territory. Plus with Spain so far from German logistic hubs it would be virtually impossible for Germany to pull an occupation like they did in Italy or France in 1943, especially if they have to occupy both Italy and Vichy France at the same time. That gives the Allies a toehold in Europe in 1943 and Stalin the second Front he was hoping for, plus lots of places to infiltrate into France thus causing the Germans to defend everywhere and be strong nowhere. Perhaps it even makes the war shorter as a result, especially if they can use Spain as a bomber base to grind up German logistics like they did prior to and during the Normandy invasions, but with even more bases for their pre-P51 escort fighters.
 

BlondieBC

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If Spain joins, it will be early. No idea how to get Portugal, but lets just handwavium some fascist leader takes over in the 1930's. We know what the USA war plan was at the time. The USA/UK will take the Azores, Cape Verde and other Atlantic Islands, perhaps even before a declaration of war in 1941. It also triggers the USA making lost Dutch Islands and perhaps French Islands "USA protectorates" as had been arranged beforehand. After the war, these Islands will only go back if the Islands support this in the 1960's or 1970's. The USA will build massive bases there for the cold war. I think Marshallese or Fed Rep of Micronesia type status is likely. A huge % of the Azores population lives near Fall River Mass anyway, so their life is easier if they have USA citizenship. Probably Dual with Portugal.

The USA likely does torch, but all the troops go into Morocco or even farther South into the West African Coast. The next step is almost certainly Spain, to prevent it from being an air/naval base for the merchant warfare. This will occupy the USA through end of 1943. Italy will not be invade, and I doubt we go too far into Tunisia. I agree with Wiking the USA is likely to just use Spain as the main front and it is too wide for the Germans to block entirely. Breaking over the French/Spanish border will be hard, but it is how the USA most likely gets into France. We then likely do Marshall plan for Spain and Portugal, but we are much harder on Italy who will be more punished like Germany OTL. And with extra possible soldier to stand against the USSR, we might be harder on Germany post war. We can use Spanish and Portuguese units with USA equipment instead of German units (ITTL v OTL). There is not logical reason we can't build say Leopard tank factory in Spain instead of Germany, since USA money likely pays for either one.
 
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