What cartridges were obsolete by the end of 1945?

obsolete cartridges

8x50R Lebel
6.5x53R Dutch and Roumanian
6.5x54 Greek
8x56R Hungarian
8x50R Austrian Mannlicher
8x59R Danish
8x50R Siamese
8x18 Roth Steyr
9mm Glisenti
9mm Japanese revolver
8mm Lebel revolver
8mm Gasser revolver
7mm Nambu
 
7.92 x 57 Mauser

Egypt used 8mm Mauser Hakims and FN-49 even after they became solid Soviet clients in the '60s.

Czechs also used 8mm till Soviet pressure got them to use common Warsaw Pact 7.62x54mm

Iran used 8mm till 1960 till replace by US weapons.

A number of Latin American countries also used 8mm for awhile after WWII
 
Do you mean,
- Technically obsolete, so not a very good cartridge any more in comparison to current state of art ? Things such as doesn't work well in automatic rifles ?

or

- Orphaned cartridge due to the destruction of the main user base in WWII ? Like the Japanese cartridges post 45.

I think they are different and what counts as obsolete is very subjective.

I would add the difference in service life of 303 British 30.06 US and 7.62/54r Russian, the only difference really is that US decided to change to new 7.62/51 NATO and GB joined them or you could still be using them like the Russians.
 
I would add the difference in service life of 303 British 30.06 US and 7.62/54r Russian, the only difference really is that US decided to change to new 7.62/51 NATO and GB joined them or you could still be using them like the Russians.
Not necessarily, for the .303 at least. The British were looking at moving to a smaller round in the interwar years but large stocks of .303, the financial constraints of the times, and then WWII kicking off put paid to the idea. After WWII they looked again at adopting possible new rounds but had to follow the US' lead with the 7.62 becoming the NATO standard, even though the US Army's own reports apparently favoured the British option IIRC.
 
Not necessarily, for the .303 at least. ...
I don't see the difference ? All .303/30.06/7.62/54r are all full power rounds designed for bolt action rifles when killing cavalry was important and then used for belt feed MGs.

They all got replaced by smaller rounds (7.62/39 or 5.56) the only difference is that US(and GB by copying them) replaced the MG cartridge as well with 7.62/51 due to muddled thinking it would not need the smaller round....

I think NATO could easily have used 30.06 (or GB used .303) as its heavy round like the use of 7.62/54r by Russia, if you adopt an early intermediate round.
 
.45 ACP - excellent knock down power against someone in a T-shirt but not much use against light body armor. Carried one as an LRRP TL and shot IDPA and IPSC for a number of years at state level. Excellent for home and self-defense
 

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.45 ACP - excellent knock down power against someone in a T-shirt but not much use against light body armor. Carried one as an LRRP TL and shot IDPA and IPSC for a number of years at state level. Excellent for home and self-defense

I'm no weapons expert, so this is a genuine question... What cartridge would have served better, in your opinion? I believe someone on this site has written there were penetration & knock down issues with the .45 ACP. i.e. during the Korean War that the .45 didn't work as well against the Chinese and their standard quilted winter gear.
 
8mm Mauser obsolete after Israel switched to 7.62 NATO

This question arose a couple of years ago when a friend let me fire his replica
Fallschirmjager 42 rifle.
We fired a variety of military-surplus ammo through that rifle, including some with Star of David 1949 head-stamps. None of the mil-spec ammo was reliable. He explained that "8mm Mauser was militarily obsolete after Israel switched to 7.62 x 51 NATO ammo." He claimed that last batch of
Israeli 7.92 was made in Czechoslovakia and sold to the new nation of
Israel. Quality was as good as Czechs were selling to Nazi Germany in 1945. Read: "unreliable."
My friend claimed that significant amounts of 8mm Mauser ammo were not made after 1959ish.

We also know that 7.92 Kurtz was only made from 1942 until 1945.

How many Italian and Japanese cartridges were abandoned because their governments failed during WW2?
 
Japanese ammo that became obsolete in 1946

6.5 x 50mm Arisaka rifle cartridge
8 x 22mm Nambu pistol

Yes, we know that a few were still used during the Korean (1950s) and Vietnam War (1960s) but that was just firing off WW2-surplus ammo.

The original question was: which ammo ceased production in 1945, because their governments collapsed?
When did military production stop?
We will try to ignore small, expensive batches made for antique firearms collectors.
 
My friend claimed that significant amounts of 8mm Mauser ammo were not made after 1959ish.

We also know that 7.92 Kurtz was only made from 1942 until 1945.

How many Italian and Japanese cartridges were abandoned because their governments failed during WW2?

the 7.92mm mauser ammo is still in production, yugoslavia used it as a serviceround, and kept producing it, and there is still widespread civilian use of it.

i think syria used the kurz cartridge, because last year a picture aired where the syrians were handing out stg44!!! to reserves.
just read the wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.92×33mm_Kurz
 
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the 7.92mm mauser ammo is still in production, yugoslavia used it as a serviceround, and kept producing it, and there is still widespread civilian use of it.
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Very true. I've used the M48 rifle (ex-Yu copy of Mauser) in war in Croatia in 1993, along with plenty of soldiers from my unit. The fire support was provided by the M53, the copy of the MG42 machine gun. Both weapons used the 7.92 mm x 57 ammo, of course.

As for the .45ACP - it was, and still is an useful cartridge.
The bullet fired from the M1 carbine was judged as of insufficient stopping power in the Korean war.
 
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