What are the most dystopic and utupic TLS you've ever read?

My vote for Dystopia would have to go to For All Time and the Cuban Missile War for reasons already mentioned. As Chet Arthur once said, "It's not a dystopia if someone wins, after all." :D

Heh. I may just have to sig that...

As for Utopian TLs, I must admit I've seen nary a one. Is it even possible to do a realistic Utopian timeline, human nature being what it is?
 
The Giver is pretty much 1984 but much much worse.

United States of Ameriwank is good for Utopia. I intend for Three Sec onds Late to work out well...someday.
 
I don't read the dystopic ones. Of the non-ASB utopic scenarios, I think the Malaya Campaign is very believable. Zionist Uganda is a fun read and I wish I could believe in it, but it just doesn't make sense that all those disparate nationalities could be induced to work together. Same with the one in which the British Empire survives with the Indians, Irish, etc. being able to forgive and forget. The ASB scenario where Australian troops in Timor are send back in time to the 1930s is utopic and also believable because Australia doesn't end up ruling the world, just being a lot more prosperous and influential than OTL. I guess the Canada as a world power scenario is kind of utopic, but why would the Canadian people want to spend all that money duplicating U.S. efforts? Or, rather, spend all that money refurbishing the rejects of the U.S. navy? What good is it doing them? What good is it doing the world?
 

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My vote for Dystopia would have to go to For All Time and the Cuban Missile War for reasons already mentioned. As Chet Arthur once said, "It's not a dystopia if someone wins, after all." :D

Heh. I may just have to sig that...

As for Utopian TLs, I must admit I've seen nary a one. Is it even possible to do a realistic Utopian timeline, human nature being what it is?

That goes back to the old nature vs nurture question. What is really human nature now a days. And as to a Utopic scenario if I can get to work on my anarcho-communist Russia tl it would hopefully end utopianly.
 
Not germanophone. Germanophile.

On one hand, TL 191 (apart from the obvious ones) would actually count as one of the most dystopic (for me at least). I mean, it has a massive, militaristic, Germanophone USA that gradually turns quasi-socialist state that totally rapes Canada together with a Victorious Whilhelmine Germany and Austria Hungary that then both go on to destroy the British Empire and nuke London, Paris and St Petersburg (three of my favourite cities).
 
Agree on the Dystopics.


Eckner's Zeppelin President/Zeppelin Legacy TL has certain Utopic trends in avoiding WW2, ending nearly all 20th C. dictatorships in the cradle, and appears at the moment ot be moving towards a more stable Middle East. Plus a more congenial space race between neo-Imperial Germany and the US. Note though that it's a plausible TL and not IMO a wank (well, a Zeppelin wank certainly, but that's pretty much as labeled on the tin)...and it's certainly not boring! :D

I completely agree with this. Also, as utopias go, it has a lot of very specific detail that makes it very interesting. One can quibble about the plausibility about some of the details, but the overall thread is both plausible and significantly better than OTL.
 
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