What are the consequences of a roman defeat at Alesia, with a dead Caesar?

The title says all : let's assume that the gaul cavalry manage to join with Vercingetorix, breaking the siege and that Caesar end his career, with his head put on a pointed stick.

1)Is this battle could be saw as OTL Teutoburg was?

2)Is Pompeius claim a life-consulate?

3)Gallia Transalpinia would be preserved?

4)How much the non-annexation of Gaul (~15 millions of inhabitants, wealthy lands, farms, gold, possible slaves, no control of tradeways, etc.) would affect roman economy and manpower?

5)Is this defeat make Rome more focused on an expansion on eastern borders?
 
In my opinion, the Battle of Alesia is way too late to make a difference, primarily because the damage was already done. Alesia was indeed the last stand of the Gauls, not a decisive battle that could have changed the turn of the war. At the point (52 BC), the Romans had already decimated the tribes of Aremorica and Belgica for instance in a series of campaigns in the earlier years of the Gallic war. In my opinion, Caesar's failure in Alesia would merely delay Roman subjugation of Gaul, not prevent it.
 
In my opinion, the Battle of Alesia is way too late to make a difference, primarily because the damage was already done. Alesia was indeed the last stand of the Gauls, not a decisive battle that could have changed the turn of the war. At the point (52 BC), the Romans had already decimated the tribes of Aremorica and Belgica for instance in a series of campaigns in the earlier years of the Gallic war. In my opinion, Caesar's failure in Alesia would merely delay Roman subjugation of Gaul, not prevent it.

I'm not sure, they're revolts in Gaul until 59 A.D. Of course, Alesia wasn't the decisive battle, but the Gallic Wars didn't have many battles of this kind. Maybe the central gallic nations, as the Arverns could make enough work to make a domination of an important part of Comata?
For the armoricans and Belgia, i suppose that without roman intervention in short times, Brittons and Germans would came quickly?
 
The title says all : let's assume that the gaul cavalry manage to join with Vercingetorix, breaking the siege and that Caesar end his career, with his head put on a pointed stick.

1)Is this battle could be saw as OTL Teutoburg was?

2)Is Pompeius claim a life-consulate?

3)Gallia Transalpinia would be preserved?

4)How much the non-annexation of Gaul (~15 millions of inhabitants, wealthy lands, farms, gold, possible slaves, no control of tradeways, etc.) would affect roman economy and manpower?

5)Is this defeat make Rome more focused on an expansion on eastern borders?
Linguistically, both Ligures(Italic), Basque/Aquitainian and Gaulish will survive.
 
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Linguistically, both Liguro-Sicanian(Italic), Basque/Aquitainian and Gaulish will survive.

It's the first time I heard that term, could you elaborate? :confused:

I mean, what did the Ligures have to do with the Sicani?

I'm not sure, they're revolts in Gaul until 59 A.D. Of course, Alesia wasn't the decisive battle, but the Gallic Wars didn't have many battles of this kind. Maybe the central gallic nations, as the Arverns could make enough work to make a domination of an important part of Comata?
For the armoricans and Belgia, i suppose that without roman intervention in short times, Brittons and Germans would came quickly?

My point is that Caesars campaigns before Alesia already severely disrupted the old tribal structures in Gaul, with some of the major tribes (such as the Eburones in Belgica) being decimated.
 

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In my opinion, the Battle of Alesia is way too late to make a difference, primarily because the damage was already done. Alesia was indeed the last stand of the Gauls, not a decisive battle that could have changed the turn of the war. At the point (52 BC), the Romans had already decimated the tribes of Aremorica and Belgica for instance in a series of campaigns in the earlier years of the Gallic war. In my opinion, Caesar's failure in Alesia would merely delay Roman subjugation of Gaul, not prevent it.

Aye, but killing Caesar at this point has rather drastic effects on what happens to Rome, no?
 
Gaul certainly could still be subjugated, if anyone bothered to. But Pompey had made his name in the east, and if he does any more conquering it's likely to be there.
 
Caesar would be divided into Three Parts?

The Gauls liked to get a head, if archaeology and the classic histories are correct...

Joking apart, a battle won by Vercingetorix would make it possible for him to arm his armies with Roman equipment - that is, if the Druids didn't sacrifice the Roman war-gear to the Gaulish Gods. A war-leader able to gift his followers with good-quality captured war-gear would be able to assemble a decent army. I'd love to see Vercingetorix do what Hannibal and Spartacus failed to do - seize Rome and dispose of the dump.

Are you going to write the TL?
 
If Caesar's killed at Alesia, his forces may be called back to Gallia Narbonensis. Possibly, another ambitious politician appointed to the Proconsulship of Transalpine Gaul may wish to complete Caesar's work, but it needs to be remembered that Caesar's Gallic campaigns were persued without the consent of the Senate in Rome. Caesar was able to renew his initial five-year term as governor of Gaul, due to the powerful friendships of Pompey and Crassus. But if both Crassus and Caesar are dead, would the Boni/Optimates need to align themselves with the ageing Pompey? Without a loose cannon like Caesar, it might buy the Republic some time, but it will collapse into civil war eventually.

With many of the Gaulish and Belgic tribes decimated, this will leave both the fairly lucky Arverni state and the usually pro-Roman Aedui as the two most dominant groups in Gaul. The former will enjoy both acclaim and renewed political prestige among the remaining Gallic tribal polities. While the latter could be torn asunder from within between the pro-Roman partisans and the anti-Roman Aedeans under the magistracy of Convictolitavis (Vergobret). The Lemovices under their king Sedullos and possibly the Bituriges, long-time Aedui vassals whose' capital of Avaricum was spared from destruction by Vercingetorix, might lend their strengh to the Averni, creating a military alliance that may end up turning on the Aedui and dominating northern Gaul. Barring either renewed Roman expansion in the next thirty years, or if they manage to weather the Suebi-Sicambri incursion in 29 BCE, they might learn from their experiences from the past Caesarian invasions by reforming their militaries.
 
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