Western Uniates

[Johannes Parisiensis]

Today, and along with the Latin Rite, the Catholic Church has several Eastern Catholic Churches, churches with their own rites submitted to the Pope.

Such churches were founded in Orthodox lands ruled by Catholic rulers or from schismatic and/or heretical Churches (relatively from Rome) distraught with unrest, such as the Church of the East.

So, after reading about Anglicanorum Coetibus and entire Anglican parrishes defecting to Rome, I wondered if such churches be created in the West?

I found tle following places, from least to most probable:

1. A Gothic Church, founded from formerly Arian Goths from Spain; after all, the Catholic Church founded the from the allegued Nestorian Church of the East - but was the then-ecclesiology accepting from such diversity of rituals?
2. A Bohemian Catholic Church after the Jan Hus case - an Union of Prague could have been negocied, with communion under both species and Czech language used during Mass
3. A Silesian Catholic Church, born from an Union of Breslau from the local Lutherans under the Austrian Empire - maybe after the founding of the local university by the Jesuits; after all, Lutherans have nearly the same theology about Real Presence and some admit Bishops, and there is people who are trying it today

(There were no reason to create an autonomous Celtic Church and Calvinists are way too separated from Catholicism to be allowed to create an autonompous Church inside Rome)

 

[Johannes Parisiensis]

Bump.

What could be the effects of such churches?

 

[Dathi THorfinnsson]

Clearly, it's not going to happen before the Reformation. Why would it?

And afterwords, it would open up a HUGE can of worms. If Queen Christina of Sweden can bring Sweden back under the Pope with a Scandian Rite (or whatever it's called) (and no, she cant for lots of reasons, but for the sake of discussion....) that's going to create a huge demand among other nations for litugy and scripture in the vernacular. Even worse, if they're allowed to keep their married priests, as eg Ukrainian Catholics do.

I think one of the few plausible occasions where this might be considered was with the conservative Anglicans who objected to the ordination of women, and who threatened to join the RCs en masse if they could get a Sarum Rite dispensation/separate organization under the Pope.

Despite the coup this wouod represent, the Pope turned them down. And this was well after Vatican II, so the language of liturgy and scripture in the vernacular was no longer an obstacle.

 

[The Ubbergeek]

As the precendent poster said, in a way it is what is starting currently with a portion of the Anglicans perhaps... did the Pope turn them down finally? I didn't know the end of this bout.

 

[Johannes Parisiensis]

Clearly, it's not going to happen before the Reformation. Why would it?

And afterwords, it would open up a HUGE can of worms. If Queen Christina of Sweden can bring Sweden back under the Pope with a Scandian Rite (or whatever it's called) (and no, she cant for lots of reasons, but for the sake of discussion....) that's going to create a huge demand among other nations for litugy and scripture in the vernacular. Even worse, if they're allowed to keep their married priests, as eg Ukrainian Catholics do.
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I was especially thinking about the areas of conflicts between Reformation and Catholicism, such as Germany or Bohemia, not to areas, such as Spain, where the Church was strong.

As the precendent poster said, in a way it is what is starting currently with a portion of the Anglicans perhaps... did the Pope turn them down finally? I didn't know the end of this bout.

Benedict XVI created a Personal Ordinate to welcome Anglicans opposed to the recent policies.