West Poland and East Poland

What if the post world war 2 borders were a little further to the East?

What would the borders of the two Polands look like?

Do you think the Western Allies would be on board with the Recovered Territories concept the same way the Soviets were?
 
If the borders post WW2 were "a little further East", I suspect you'd just see more Germany, with the German-Polish border at the Versaille border or the point the Soviet forces hit, whichever is further East.

If the border was somehow far enough East for it to be relevant, I do think you'd see Gdansk annexed to Poland, and probably the rest of East Prussia, too. It's hard to imagine Pomerania (very little Polish population), and probably not the bits of Prussia east of the Oder but west of the Versaille border. The Western Allies (bar France) were much less interested in punishing Germany than the Soviet Union was - and as far as France was concerned, the US and UK went out of their way to minimize the damage the French could do. One interesting thing is that this would place much more of "Prussia proper" inside Germany's borders; it would be interesting to see to what extent the Allies try to gut the Prussian nobility (blamed to a large extent for both World Wars), and what they put in place instead.

Border-wise, assuming the existence of two Polands that are both not tiny, I'd imagine that their border would be similar to the East/West German border OTL, though without the wrinkle of Berlin.

I do wonder what would happen to all the Poles expelled from East-of-Curzon territories. OTL, most of the Germans expelled from Eastern Europe ended up in West Germany; I wonder what percent of Poles would be sent West and what percent permitted to remain East.
 

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When I brought this up a few years ago, I got skepticism about any intra Polish border besides the Vistula. Also the same Polish poster, Tizoc, said that poznan was a more plausible capital for west Poland than lodz, because of working-class dominance in lodz.
 
To be fair, if we went by ethno-linguistic lines Poland should have been the Curzon Line on the east, and Germany should have been the Versailles borders but with the inclusion of the "Polish Corridor". The expulsion of Germans from post-1945 Poland was ALMOST as bad as what the Germans did during WWII. Realistically, if you're being fair and free to the people on the ground, there isn't enough room for an East and West Poland. Inter-war period Poland, East of Curzon Line, was not inhabited by Polish, it was White Russian (or Belarusian as they call themselves now, but it would be anachronistic to call them that for that period).
 
You could have it the other way around, so the borders are as today, except for the internal Polish border which is the same as the border between Weimar Germany and interwar Poland. This is due to a free Poland being set up in the part of Poland that is not occupied by the Soviet Union, while Poles expelled from the Soviet parts are moved to settle in lands taken from eastern Germany, and used to create a Communist state there, so southern East Prussia, Silesia, Gdansk and East Pomerania are communist, while Warsaw is free.
 
Lots of impact on Eastern Europe, depending how the eventual borders end up falling. To name just one - does Lvov and the surrounding region still get lumped onto Ukraine?

Does this still end up getting build in a Warsaw that plays the role of Berlin ITTL?

PKiN_widziany_z_WFC.jpg
 

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See Sevgart's map on deviant art:

original here -http://sevgart.deviantart.com/art/Polish-1944-uprising-394616310
 
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