Welsh Independance, post ww2

No. Wales was an integral part of England, and thus Great Britain, for centuries beforehand. If you want an independent Wales, get the Welsh princedoms to unite in the Dark Ages and hold off the Mediaeval English incursion.
 
Even today it would be hard for Wales to break off, it's as entwined with England as much as any English county in many ways, unlike Scotland which retained many separate powers and institutions.
 
Independence? Doubtful. But a violent nationalist movement similar to (and no doubt linked to) the IRA is certainly a possibility. Perhaps if the plans of John Barnard Jenkins and his organisation come to fruition, injuring or even killing the Queen/Prince Charles at his investiture, it could be the spark of a larger movement?
 
The only way I can imagine it is if the Allies win the war but with much greater damage to infrastructure and the economy and maybe a weaker Marshall Plan tied with an earlier, stronger European Union with a taste for regionalism, but even then...
 
Independence? Doubtful. But a violent nationalist movement similar to (and no doubt linked to) the IRA is certainly a possibility. Perhaps if the plans of John Barnard Jenkins and his organisation come to fruition, injuring or even killing the Queen/Prince Charles at his investiture, it could be the spark of a larger movement?

But the investiture was in 1969.

The best alternative would be for the "Cymru Fydd" (Wales of the Future) movement of the 1890s, which was supported by Members of parliament such as future Prime Minister David Lloyd George and Liberal Whip Tom Ellis, to have achieved greater success. Perhaps a movement towards "Home Rule All Round", involving the retention of Ireland within the UK, but with a large measure of autonomy?

Had a peaceful loosening of centralist ties occurred in the early years of the twentieth century, might this have led to the gradual independence of Ireland, Scotland and Wales?

That seems to me to be the best bet.
 

Faraday Cage

Ireland, Scotland, and Wales could almost form a sizeable country together..."the Gaelic Union"? "the Celtic Federation"?
 
Perhaps a situation George IV, as Prince regent, unites his two heraldic lands (the Principality of Wales and the Duchy of Cornwall) as a single constitunt of the UK, and gives the area a slight autonomy with a , leading to single area (perhaps the taxes set in the area go diectly to the Prince of Wales, in exchange for promising not to ask parliament for any maney in the future). This leads to a greater autonomy down the road.
 
Independence? Doubtful. But a violent nationalist movement similar to (and no doubt linked to) the IRA is certainly a possibility. Perhaps if the plans of John Barnard Jenkins and his organisation come to fruition, injuring or even killing the Queen/Prince Charles at his investiture, it could be the spark of a larger movement?

It could spark a movement to get John Barnhard Jenkins strung up from the nearest lampost. If he had managed to kill any member of the Royal Family 99% of the people of Wales would want him skinned alive.
 
Ireland, Scotland, and Wales could almost form a sizeable country together..."the Gaelic Union"? "the Celtic Federation"?

*smacks Faraday Cage with a cricket bat*

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Ireland, Scotland, and Wales could almost form a sizeable country together..."the Gaelic Union"? "the Celtic Federation"?

SCOTSMANRAGE! *stabstabstab* :mad:

God, I hate this cliche.

Fact 1): Wales isn't even Gaelic, which shows how much you know about Celticness.

2): Nobody even speaks Gaelic outside our (Ireland and Scotland's) respective godforsaken Atlantic outcroppings.

3): Scotland and Ireland in a united nation? Ever been to a football match up here? Ireland hasn't even formed a "united nation" with itself, for the same reason.

4): Define "sizeable". We'd still be smaller than England. By, like, a lot.

Perhaps a situation George IV, as Prince regent, unites his two heraldic lands (the Principality of Wales and the Duchy of Cornwall) as a single constitunt of the UK, and gives the area a slight autonomy with a , leading to single area (perhaps the taxes set in the area go diectly to the Prince of Wales, in exchange for promising not to ask parliament for any maney in the future). This leads to a greater autonomy down the road.

All of you deserve death. DEATH!
 
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Ireland, Scotland, and Wales could almost form a sizeable country together..."the Gaelic Union"? "the Celtic Federation"?

With none of the three nations having a border with any of the others, and with a tradition of hostility between Scotland and Ireland, it's pretty difficult to see this as the remotest possibility.
 

MrP

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One could beef up the Welsh sense of identity a tad in WWI by removing Kitchener. He rejected suggestions that the principality be allowed to form a Welsh Corps to serve with the BEF. It probably wouldn't impact recruitment rates greatly, but one only has to look at the Australian or Canadian involvement in WWI to see how this form of participation could be a strong influence in the formation of a collective identity.

I think that if Wales became an autonomous region, it would take Cornwall with it. The language is very similar.

I just spluttered. You took me by surprise. Cornish is not a widely-spoken language here in Blighty. Or even in Cornwall. ;)
 
I think that if Wales became an autonomous region, it would take Cornwall with it. The language is very similar.

Fall in a hole and die.

Ahem, sorry, my feelings got the better of me.

There are few similarities between the Welsh and English languages. But then again, since most people in Wales speak English anyway, the languages (English and English) are actually very similar. Then again, that would mean they'd also be in a union with England (and Scotland)... doh!
 
I think that if Wales became an autonomous region, it would take Cornwall with it. The language is very similar.

It's identical, it's English!

Less than a quarter of the population of Wales speak Welsh and Cornish speakers aren't even into five figures. Language is a complete red herring in this.
 
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