Welsh Dominance

TFSmith121

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Romano-British keep control?

Glendower seems a little too late, given the population and economic edge.

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You're looking at possibly Rhodri Mawr latest if he doesn't die. Tried to write a TL on here under my old account regarding him not dying and his son carrying on the claim.

Before that pre Anglo Saxon incursions wold be another bet.
 
Probably the battle of Dyrham in AD 577, after which the Anglo-Saxons reached the Bristol Channel, cutting in two the British kingdoms in modern-day England and effectively making the English settlement irreversible.
 
It could be more interesting than that. The majority of the population in Anglo-Saxon areas was still Celtic but the culture became Anglo Saxon. Roll forward 600 years to the Normans. The majority of the Norman controlled population was "Anglo-Saxon/Danish" and it retained its culture only slightly modified by the Normans. Why the difference?
 
It could be more interesting than that. The majority of the population in Anglo-Saxon areas was still Celtic but the culture became Anglo Saxon. Roll forward 600 years to the Normans. The majority of the Norman controlled population was "Anglo-Saxon/Danish" and it retained its culture only slightly modified by the Normans. Why the difference?

Far smaller Norman presence in the population at large?
 
634. Cadwallon of Gwynedd had defeated and killed Edwin of Northumbria at Hatfield Chase the year before. He has to win the Battle of Heavenfield, too, then restore permanent British rule in the North.

It's the last meaningful opportunity and a lot more things would still have to go in favor of the Welsh thereafter. There were better chances of success in the previous century.
 
Far smaller Norman presence in the population at large?

I would agree

It could be more interesting than that. The majority of the population in Anglo-Saxon areas was still Celtic but the culture became Anglo Saxon. Roll forward 600 years to the Normans. The majority of the Norman controlled population was "Anglo-Saxon/Danish" and it retained its culture only slightly modified by the Normans. Why the difference?

You just made me think of something else, would it be possible for the Anglo-Saxons to adopt Welsh culture, similar to what the Franks did to Roman culture?
 

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Make the Welsh more Christian before the Anglo-Saxon arrival and the Anglo-Saxons remain pagan for longer.

The Anglo-Saxons were pagan goat bother'rs for centuries after invading Britain the indigenous population were Christian for centuries before the Anglo-Saxons invaded!

Christianity reached Britain by the third century of the Christian era, possibly through merchants and tradesmen drawn to Roman settlements. The first recorded martyrs in Britain being St. Alban and Aaron and Julius, citizens of Caerleon, during the reign of Diocletian. The date of Alban's execution has been a subject of discussion among historians with John Morris proposing that it took place during the persecutions of Emperor Septimius Severus as early as 209.[19] The Anglo-Saxon Chronicles lists the year 283,[20] and Bede places it in 305. Still others argue that sometime during the persecutors Decius or Valerian (251-259) is more likely.
Gildas dated the faith's arrival to the latter part of the reign of Tiberius. Initially, it was but one of a number of cults throughout the Empire which were practiced in provincial towns. Christianisation intensified with the legalisation of the Christian religion under Constantine in the early 4th century and its promotion by subsequent Christian emperors, but in 407 the Empire withdrew its legions from the province to defend Italy from Visigothic attacks in which the city of Rome would be sacked in 410. The legions did not return to Britain permanently, and with the decline of Roman imperial political influence, Roman tax and army influence ended on the isle.
In 314, Bishop Restitutus, Bishop of London, attended the Council of Arles.[21] Clerics such as Germanus of Auxerre accused some British bishops of the heresy of Pelagianism and sought their removal from office. Insular Christianity retained distinct traditions and practices through the era of Church Councils.
Those who influenced the development of British Christianity include Dubricius, Petroc, Ia and Kentigern (also known as Mungo).
 
The Anglo-Saxons were pagan goat bother'rs for centuries after invading Britain the indigenous population were Christian for centuries before the Anglo-Saxons invaded!

Christianity reached Britain by the third century of the Christian era, possibly through merchants and tradesmen drawn to Roman settlements. The first recorded martyrs in Britain being St. Alban and Aaron and Julius, citizens of Caerleon, during the reign of Diocletian. The date of Alban's execution has been a subject of discussion among historians with John Morris proposing that it took place during the persecutions of Emperor Septimius Severus as early as 209.[19] The Anglo-Saxon Chronicles lists the year 283,[20] and Bede places it in 305. Still others argue that sometime during the persecutors Decius or Valerian (251-259) is more likely.
Gildas dated the faith's arrival to the latter part of the reign of Tiberius. Initially, it was but one of a number of cults throughout the Empire which were practiced in provincial towns. Christianisation intensified with the legalisation of the Christian religion under Constantine in the early 4th century and its promotion by subsequent Christian emperors, but in 407 the Empire withdrew its legions from the province to defend Italy from Visigothic attacks in which the city of Rome would be sacked in 410. The legions did not return to Britain permanently, and with the decline of Roman imperial political influence, Roman tax and army influence ended on the isle.
In 314, Bishop Restitutus, Bishop of London, attended the Council of Arles.[21] Clerics such as Germanus of Auxerre accused some British bishops of the heresy of Pelagianism and sought their removal from office. Insular Christianity retained distinct traditions and practices through the era of Church Councils.
Those who influenced the development of British Christianity include Dubricius, Petroc, Ia and Kentigern (also known as Mungo).
I think making the Anglo Saxons more hostile to intermarriage and conversion with the Celtic population will do the trick.
 
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