We'll Rally Once Again-TL

On the whole, I find the gist of where things might be going interesting. Huzzah for the continuing Napoleonic Wars. The German Confederation seems interesting as well.

1) Why exactly do the British give in to Napoleon's demands at Amiens? I've only skimmed the Wikipedia article, so my best guess is that "Peace Fever" prevails for a bit longer and/or the peace is finalized a bit earlier.
Well, for a number of (potential) yet minor reasons; perhaps a more resolute French victory at Algeciras Bay, and/or more decisive victories on land, which in turn would lead to a hightened Peace Fever; in any case, the treaty was no diferent than in OTL; the only diference was that Britain complied with it.

2) Why does Metternich let Austria be excluded from the Germanic Confederation? Does he reason that conceding the northern german states will allow him to consolidate the Austria state itself?
Balance of power. What you say is also true; he would not want to get Austria involved with an organization that would eventually get bi-polarized, which would lead to a potential war (see Austro-Prussian War). When i say bi-polarized, look at what happened in OTL: Prussia began to economically, politically, and militarily dominate the other German sattes, and in response, the southern states, such as Bavaria, moved closer to Austria (which led t the Austro-Prussian War). Metternich has a bit of insight, sees the potential for disaster, and decides to leave the German Confederation "for the Prussians and their (soon-to-be) running dogs."

3) The idea of the Hartford trials is indeed kind of scary. When you say the effects linger in the soul of Americans, do you mean it makes them resolute against secession movements or that they regret the almost tyrannical actions of the Federal government? Or both?
Both. Of course, the first one will prevail at first, yet later the second one will also become widespread-see Indian Removal as an analogue; at first, Americans thought it was what they deserved, but now, there is a general remorse and guilt. And of course, the New Englanders didn't deserve what they got....but anyways, now that the general support for the NER has died down (not that there was a ton of support for it anways when it first began), you'r going to see the more radical succesionists organize. Plus the Hartford trials will make alot of peopel angry-basically, you can see several anti-American "terrorist" organizations springing up several decades before the first ones did.

4) How much of the Peninsular Campaign goes OTL? Is Welligton still a national hero? For that matter, does Nelson still die at Trafalgar?
Peninsular Campaign was more or les, the same as OTL, with the exception of a few diferent battles, etc. Yet the reason France still has some Spain (if that's what you wnated to know) is 'cause they weren't a shambling wreck on the verge of collapse when the peace was signed. They hadn't necesarily lost the war yet-they had just lost their leader.

And, Trafalgar doesn't happen....he survives the war, with only a minor arm injury inflicted by a piece of shrapnel.


Pretty much the 1st TL i read where the U.S. does worse than OTL but doesn't fall apart either. So you already get points for something refreshingly new.

Thankee. :)

huzzah! :D

I applaud you sir - interesting update :)

Has San Martin bumped into Bolivar yet, or is that still to happen?

Geordie

Once San Martin finally defeats the Spanish colonial government in Northern Peru, then he will meet with Bolivar to discuss South America's future, much like OTL.


Locke, could you make a map of what North America (and South America) look like under this new timeline?

I've already made, one, yet I'm not going to post it until a few more years have passed.
 
Just a small edit to 1818:

1818
Jose de San Martin, an Argentine military leader, crosses over the Andes, and defeats the Spanish colonial army there, finally uniting Chile and Argentina.

The United State becomes increasingly aggressive under James Monroe. In early spring he launches several incursions into the Spanish territory under the guise of protecting American settlers from hostile Native Americans. Finally, in May, after several years of conflict with local Indian tribes such as the Seminoles, and the need to secure America’s southern frontier and rivers, a large American force, led by Andrew Jackson, invades the Spanish territory. Within a few months, it is under American control. As Spain and the US had been in the midst of negotiations to sell the territory to the US anyways, the matter is controversial, yet Secretary of State John Adams persuades the Spanish that the war was their fault and eventually gets them to cede East Florida entirely over to the US.

1819
In April the third USN ship of the line is launched, the USS Columbus.

In South America, Jose de San Martin finally defeats the last Royalist forces in southern Chile. He has now removed their presence from the River Plate. He now begins to organize his forces for an expedition into Peru, which will invade from the South, and will work with Simon Bolivar, who is attacking from the north. In Peru, the colonists become restless, and become more contempt of their Spanish overlords; the Royalist army tries to tighten its grip, and prepares for the inevitable invasions.

1820
Britain sends a fleet of 8 warships and 16 transports to the United Provinces of La’Plata (UPLP, or UPRP). These will become the basis and backbone of the early Platanese navy, and will prove invaluable in the campaigns against Peru.

Now San Martin and his United Army invade Peru, as riots break out in Lima. A naval landing is conducted in the city Huacho, while a blockade is conducted by Peruvian rebels in the city of Callao. Guayaquil is emancipated by Gregorio Escobedo, while the Royalist army, in general, retreats.

Back in Europe, as Spain had begun to assemble an army to retake its rebellious colonies, liberal officers led by Rafael Rigo mutiny, capture their superiors, and storm out of Cadiz, and basically tour through Andalusia, gaining support from the province and the rest of Spain and the Spanish Army. Their demands are that the Constitution of 1812 be implemented by King Ferdinand; he has little choice but to comply. The new Progressive government reorganizes the provinces of Spain into 52 provinces; and their regional autonomy is reduced. Yet not all of Spain is happy from this; the radical liberals wish to totally abolish the monarchy, while others such as Aragon and Navarra are quite hateful of the liberals, though they do not really have any sympathy for the king. The attempts to reduce the power of the church leads to friction developing between the Progressive liberal government and the Catholic Church, while the attempt to industrialize the country creates friction between the old trade guilds. In total, the Progressive government is frail, and barely holding on to power.

In the US, Congress passes the Naval Act of 1820-four more frigates are to be constructed, as well as one ship of the line (USS Independence). Also to be commissioned are several gunboats. This will bring the total number of US ships of the line to four.

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Except it makes little sense.

From the British perspective this is a dream situation. Guarantee no war or trouble of any kind with the US AND pick up a substantial payment in US gold and silver by simply selling the technically French territories of Louisiana to the US.

No War of 1812, guaranteed trade partner, boost to the exchequer AND a major breach between France and the US, all by paying the US with French territory. What's not for London to like?
 
1821
Rebel leaders Guadalupe Victoria and Vicente Guerrero have by now gained much support; the Viceroy views them and the encroaching Americans warily. The rebels face heavy Spanish military resistance. The colonial government finds allies with the criollo, mestizo, and Amerindian rebels who fear what could be more racial and class warfare, ensuring their grudging acquiescence to the Spanish colonial government until independence can be achieved. Soon, Viceroy general Augustine de Iturbide is dispatched to deal with the rebels, yet with the chaos and instability of Spain, he turns against the colonial government; he manages to unite the various Spanish factions under the slogan “el seguridad de Independencia, el protection de Cristo, y el unification de todos.”, which loosely translated, means “the security of Independence, protection of Christ, and unification of all.” Iturbide’s army is joined by all the other rebel forces in Mexico. They march on Mexico City, battling various Royalist forces along the way.

As the Mexican War of Independence continues to drag on, the US increases the amount of aid. In May, it sends an expedition over to the small pirate-infested town of Galveston. After a hasty and short fight with the USN, the pirates are defeated, and retreat. A contingent of 300 “volunteer” troops land and secure the town soon after. The main objectives of the US have been realized; they now have their first Trans-Mississippian base in which to hopefully expand their influence.

Yet Spain continues to refuse to recognize Mexico; in fact, King Ferdinand VII warns the US to cease its intervention.

In response, a USN blockade is established over Veracruz in July, accompanied by a massive fireworks display in celebration of the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

Finally, in September, Augustine Iturbide’s troops enter Mexico City, as US marines land and capture the city of Veracruz.

On November 13, 1821, the Treaty of Veracruz is signed. In it, Spain officially grants Mexico independence. It agrees to the terms of Iturbide’s Three-Point Plan (basically the OTL Plan of Iguala, which is going on the whole “Religion, Independence, and Unity” thing).

As Mexico now has independence, the debate begins as to how the Mexican nation will be constructed. However, as Ferdinand VII of Spain will not allow any European to accept the throne, they must work to figure this problem (amongst many others) out.

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In South America, San Martin’s forces march into Lima in July. Peruvian independence is declared a few days later. In Ecuador, however, Royalist forces maintain power (albeit faltering) and fight on. Simon Bolivar launches a campaign to finally eradicate them.

In Europe, the Holy Alliance frowns upon the liberal and secular policies of both Progressive Spain and Joseph Bonaparte’s France; they prepare to initiate a war to finally take them out, and destroy the danger that faces Christianity.
In Sardinia, oppressive Victor Emanuel abdicates in favor of his brother, Charles Felix, as liberal unrest grows in his realm.



OOC: Guys, there are several errors with that map that I will fix with the next update, most glaringly, the fact that northern Massachuesetts (Maine) is shown as being American, when it should be British. And there are several errors in the Dutch East Indies.

I will also edit the Treaty of Ghent, as there are several issues that I discovered in it. All will be fixed with the next update.
 
Yes, an update-this timeline is NOT dead! Simply had too much going on. And I will post a new map by 1825 (or right after this round of war is over). There have been (and will be) some MAJOR changes in thw world by 1830, I promise. :D



1822

In March, a Holy Alliance coalition invades France, spearheaded by Prussian, Italian, and Austrian troops.

Yet in the 5 ½ year-long period of peace, France has expanded its military. Its navy has been rebuilt; its army enlarged and updated even more. It faces little internal dissent, unlike the Prussians, and their north German allies, who have been alienated from the south German states, such as Bavaria and Saxony, or the Kingdom of Italy, which undergoes constant unrest, from both the right and left.

At the Battle of Massa, inferior Italian forces are smashed, and routed, suffering nearly 14,000 casualties, versus 4,500 for the French. They retreat to Lucca, where the French lay siege to the city.

At Bergamo, outnumbered French forces under General Catherine-Dominique Perignon hold off the Austrian army for several days; his forces are relieved by Marshal Bessieres; they then retreat west, to Milan, but are intercepted by the Austro-Hungarian Army. Instead of holing themselves up in Monza, French units skirmish with AH troops to try and draw them near the banks of the Lambro River. Then, with most of the Austro-Hungarian army engaged, Bessiers leads a large force into attack against the AH flanks and rear, creating total chaos. By the end of the day, the Austro-Hungarian army has been routed, and retreated to Bergamo. The Austrian army suffers 15,000 casualties, versus 5,000 for the French. Both armies have been bloodied however, and most of the Italian Front will remain in a state of stalemate for the next few weeks/months until the armies can regroup and replan.

To the north, in eastern France, the German-Danish troops fare significantly better. Despite this, neither side can gain a real advantage over the other; the fighting which for the most parts occurs in Alsace and Lorraine.

France proves to be dominant in the sea however; the bankrupt and broken Danes were never able to rebuild their fleet after their defeat at the hands of the briitsh in the Gunboat War. The German Confederation and Prussia was never a real Maritime power, and Italy and Austria Hungary have been undergoing civil unrest in the wake of the Great European Wars.

As spring turns to summer, and summer turns to autumn, it is clear that the French are winning. In eastern France, the fighting has now shifted from Alsace and Lorraine into Baden, west Bavaria, and the Rhineland. Frederick William III is under increasing pressure back in Berlin, both from the “liberals” who continue to demand freedoms in increasingly violent ways, and, to a much lesser extent, the conservatives, some of whom begin to view him as an impediment for Prussia.

In August, King Frederick Wilhelm III travels to the United Kingdom of the Netherlands to ask for an alliance; he hopes that if the UK of the Netherlands invades France, then Paris could be in danger, or the Joseph Bonaparte would be overthrown. The very notion that the UKN could take Paris begins shed light on Frederick William III’s apparent degrading mental health. Or it is very likely simple naivety on his part, yet in either cease, the Prussian King knew he couldn’t win the war with only Italy and Austria at his sides.

The alliance is formalized in early September; the UKN, under King William I, mobilizes soon after. In early October, the UKN invades France, with the aims of eventually (hopefully) reaching the Seine. Such delusions are present only in high moral, yet the French begin to feel the heat. And the Netherlands fleet is nothing to be laughed at either-in fact, it could be quite dangerous if left ignored.

Autumn turns to winter; there is fierce fighting in northern France. Both sides fight bravely, and both sides are nearly equally matched. As with other fronts, however, this one begins to turn into a stalemate. Neither one has the numbers nor the equipment to press on any advantage they have on each other. This much becomes apparent to much of Germany, though King Frederick William III can’t admit it.

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At the same time, in South America, the last Spanish loyalists are defeated; San Martin and Bolivar later meet in Trujillo to discuss South America’s future. Unlike OTL, this meeting is much more open than the private, behind-doors conference that occurred in OTL. At first, neither man can agree on which course South America should take; after three days, however, a compromise is reached.

Bolivar, having wanted the independent peoples of South America to form republics, has northern Peru annexed into the Republic of New Granada. San Martin, who had supported the idea of the South American nations being ruled by European princes, has a kingdom created in what is OTL Bolivia, south Peru, and northwestern Chile, creating a sort of “buffer state”. Apart from this, however, not much can be agreed on; the issue of who will rule the South American kingdom remains unresolved. In the meantime, San Martin will move his forces back south of Peru and back into La Plata and occupy the South American kingdom until both can get their internal matters straightened out. In the meantime, low-intensity conflict continues in the United Provinces of South America between Federales (Federalists) and the Unitarias (Unitarians).

Don’t worry, the US will be touched more in later updates. ;)
 
So, the German Confederation seems about to combust due to FWIII's Wilhelmine visions? And the Napoleonic / French Revolutionary Wars are set to enter their 4th decade...If they end soon, they can be the 2nd Thirty Years War:D.
 
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