We'll Keep The Red Flag Flying Here


SO! Lets do a run over first on what I am planning here. As I still have nightmares of the five or Six pages of people attaching the TL "The Iron Continent", because I guess General Eisenhower is the human incarnation of Aries I guess and is there for an inflatable military God of some kind.

So I am moving my POD back further than a simple loss of D-Day.

Two major POD's in fact, to cripple the greatest of the western allied powers. And of course it's death. Cause death's have a great way of changing everything. Anyhow, August 10th, 1921 Franklin Delano Roosevelt was sailing in the Bay of Fundy with his three Eldest Children when a fire started on their ship. In this Time Line, they could not put the fire out in time leading to the sinking of the Yacht, all four lives were sadly lost. Through this there is never a New Deal in the USA, and America simply continues down the path of accepted political logic at the time. (And now really). That austerity was the path back to prosperity for the nation. Leading to a longer, deeper, and worse depression for the United States and by extension Canada and Mexico. America becomes far more Isolationist during the second world war, but does do what it can selling arms to the British Empire, and later the USSR. Do to the weak state of the USA Japan never comes to see America as a threat, or a "slumbering giant' that may try to stop their expansion in Asia, some referring to the USA as "The Sick Man of the Americas". Rather more and more Japanese attention is being drawn onto the USSR who (as we will see) is coming out on top in the European War.

The second death occurs in 1931 when Winston Churchill is hit and killed by a Taxi cab. Where this effect isn't to great on Britain until the outbreak of the War eight years later. As I've seen many times before Lord Halifax is made PM after Neville Chamberlain steps down. The United Kingdom, and British Empire have a much harder time holding out against Nazi Germany but will still manage to do it. Though at a far greater toll on the home Island and the Royal Navy.

Of course, for the purpose of this TL the Nazis will still lose. It will be a harder, bloodier fight on the eastern front. But it will be won under the Iron Fisted leadership of Comrade Stalin.

The story will kick off in 1946 with the Red Army marching onto Nazi occupied Paris. The Nazis or what is left of them, are in falling apart. Spain the United Kingdom and the Empire have no choice but to look on the steamroller crushing everything in it's path in Europe. The United States is sinking deeper into depression as the European war falls into it's final stages. Both Fascists and Communists in the USA becoming more and more aggressive as the old ways prove less viable. Canada starts to see itself as the centre of the Empire, as Britain lays mostly in ruins. The European colonies in the middle east are in revolt.

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Any thoughts or ideas anyone my have on how I can approach this are welcome to share. I'll be giving it my best effort, but as with much of my work, this is all just for fun.
 
What of Japan by 1946?

right totally forgot about that.

Japan is now left as the master of Asia. They are still fighting China, but most people understand that the Chinese are now fighting a lost cause. South East Asia, and Indonesia are firmly in Japanese hands. The Philippines are still an American protectorate for now. But Japan is binding it's time, and helping to arm rebels there. With the war in Europe lost, and the new Red threat Japan and the British Empire are working towards a mutually beneficial negotiated peace deal.
 
right totally forgot about that.

Japan is now left as the master of Asia. They are still fighting China, but most people understand that the Chinese are now fighting a lost cause. South East Asia, and Indonesia are firmly in Japanese hands. The Philippines are still an American protectorate for now. But Japan is binding it's time, and helping to arm rebels there. With the war in Europe lost, and the new Red threat Japan and the British Empire are working towards a mutually beneficial negotiated peace deal.

Ah.

What of South America?
 
Ah.

What of South America?

South America, and Africa are both pretty much OTL. The Italians still couldn't hold out against the Empire in Africa. The largest different is increased leaning towards the USSR in the more Left-Wing nations of South America, as well as emboldened communist moments there. But that is a global thing as well.
 
South America, and Africa are both pretty much OTL. The Italians still couldn't hold out against the Empire in Africa. The largest different is increased leaning towards the USSR in the more Left-Wing nations of South America, as well as emboldened communist moments there. But that is a global thing as well.

All right.

America never really got better? I know they was no FDR and New Deal,but it never got better even a little?

How does Canada seeing itself as the central of the Empire really work?
 
All right.

America never really got better? I know they was no FDR and New Deal,but it never got better even a little?

How does Canada seeing itself as the central of the Empire really work?

Nope, America might have gotten better in small bumps. But for the most part they are still in the hight of the depression.

And with the United Kingdom in ruins, broke, still under sedge by the Germans. And now about the be surrounded by the Soviets. Canada sees itself largely as the most powerful and richest state in the Empire. They are also far away from the Soviet threat, and any possible threat from Japan. Safe, rich, young, powerful. To put it in a very British way.

Canada sees itself as a young, strong, wealthy Prince. And the King is very very sick.
 
Nope, America might have gotten better in small bumps. But for the most part they are still in the hight of the depression.

And with the United Kingdom in ruins, broke, still under sedge by the Germans. And now about the be surrounded by the Soviets. Canada sees itself largely as the most powerful and richest state in the Empire. They are also far away from the Soviet threat, and any possible threat from Japan. Safe, rich, young, powerful. To put it in a very British way.

Canada sees itself as a young, strong, wealthy Prince. And the King is very very sick.

Of course, Canada will have to deal with a very weak America that might go Fascists, Red, or a Civil War.

The UK, and Canada will have to let go of India.

Spain and Portugal? Italy itself?
 
Of course, Canada will have to deal with a very weak America that might go Fascists, Red, or a Civil War.

The UK, and Canada will have to let go of India.

Spain and Portugal? Italy itself?

Spain and Portugal are as OTL, but panicking due to what looks like will be a Red Europe. Italy is crumbling. It's more or less anarchy with the Germans, the Fascist Italians, the Soviets, Communist Italians and other factions trying to take control.
 
With no real western and mediterrean front, I actually see Italy as less of a mess and more of a desperate fight for survival, since there would be no civil war between nazifascists and royalists/republicans/communists but a war between ussr/italian(/yugoslav?) communists for invasion/liberation vs. everybody else.
Not the republicans, the royalists or the catholic would stand for the fall of Italy and Rome to the Reds without fighting.
 

TFSmith121

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Setting aside your belief in the Great Man concept of history,

Setting aside your belief in the Great Man concept of history, I think you're in the wrong century...;)

Best,
 
Ehm an harder and longer fight for the URSS? Probably no Land Lease? Basically the mighty SOviet Union will be on the verge of collapse both economic and demographic.

Italy wil retreat the Alpin wall where the much vaunted tank division of the Red Army are usefull as refrigerator in the Artic
 
Hey, cool, it's good to see your story back. It was honestly obnoxious how there was only one update, and like 5 pages of people whining about how ASB it was.
I'll be looking forward to it, man. Subscribed.
 
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